System based purely in Maths

[winkel]

The question is:

Does waiting for any 10 not repetead numbers give a better result?

Therefore I will give an example!

I will bet 10 numbers on the same permanence as @Marven did. I don´t know it yet.

These will be the numbers:

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

Marven pls. post your numbers.

br
winkel

[Worm]

The question is:

Does waiting for any 10 not repetead numbers give a better result?

Therefore I will give an example!

I will bet 10 numbers on the same permanence as @Marven did. I don´t know it yet.

These will be the numbers:

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

Marven pls. post your numbers.

br
winkel

To prove this we need a large scale test i think..(Even though i know it doesnt matter what 10 nrs you play)

[winkel]

I don´t hink so:

As the original I will start with spin 11 (the 1. possible spin to start)
After game ended with 10 L or any win, I will take the next following 11th spin.

br
winkel

[Worm]

ok be my guest 

[hoper35]

Might be better to wait a couple of extra spins.

Last 12 spins are unique --> bet first 10 of those 12 numbers.


Ron.

[Proofreaders2000]

Hey guys, this looks really good.  So far, I've won 6 out of 8 attempts, the first four consecutive, real money.

Here are the money stats for me with this system:  $108(winnings)-$40(numbers that didn't hit)=$68 profit

Hit miss ratio: 3/4 (75% accuracy)  If it gets to 80%, it's in Holy Grail territory.

[winkel]

LLLLLLLw  <-- Won at the 8th step of the progression.
Lw          <-- Won at the second step of the progression. (and so on)
Lw
w
w
Lw
LLw
LLLLLw
LLw
w
LLLw
LLLw
LLLw
Lw
Lw
w
w
LLLLLLLLLL  <-- Progression failed!
Lw
w
w
LLw
w
w
LLLw
LLLw
LLLLLLw
Lw
Lw
LLLLLLw
LLLLLLLLLL  <-- Progression failed!
LLLw
LLLLLw

I took any of my spins and played numbers 1 to 10

Can anyone see any difference to the results of Marven?

LW                        
W                           
LW                        
LLLLW               
W                           
W                           
LLLLLLLLLL
W                           
LLLLLW            
W                           
LLLLLLLLW   
LLLLLW            
LLLLLLLW      
W                           
LLLW                  
LLW                     
LLLLW               
LW                        
W                           
LLW                     
LLLLLLLLW
LLLW                  
W                           
LLW                     
LLW                     
LLW                     
LLLLW               
LLLLLW            

[hermes]

Winkel you are wrong. It is not equal what numbers you bet because if you take last coming not repeated numbers you play with the trend. From your 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 could be 3 or more sleepers at the time, where the last coming are probably not a sleepers but busy or wake up numbers. I remember long time ago I played similar strategy and bet the last 12 numbers coming but any repeater between. It went good for long time. After 15 straight numbers spins without any repeater there must come soon a repeat, that's for sure. If the progression could hold it the system would win more than lose. Proof prove it right now. The online low minimums bets on numbers could be an advantage for that strategy. No advantage in land casinos, only perhaps in Las Vegas because of the competition.
Hermes

[winkel]

Hi Hermes,

what I have learned through all my testing and searching:
Any selection will give the same result long-term:

e.g.
you bet just one single number
there is no difference in betting allways the same number e.g. 1
or if you bet the last number
or if you bet the number before the last number
you even bet the numbers of the day before spin by spin

Test: take 1369 numbers from any actuals, you can even mix them up of two or three different tables/Rng as you like
bet the system of ginger
bet for control my numbers 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
bet for control any 10 numbers that doesnt change (your own selection)
bet for control always the last 10 numbers (go back as long as you need to get 10 exactly)

The difference will always be in the range of normal deviation
for easy test just bet flat bet
compare one of the bet-selections with the prog-rules

you will have a lot of fun and a big WOW
br
winkel

[Marven]

The question is:

Does waiting for any 10 not repetead numbers give a better result?

Therefore I will give an example!

I will bet 10 numbers on the same permanence as @Marven did. I don´t know it yet.

These will be the numbers:

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

Marven pls. post your numbers.

br
winkel

Winkel,

I am sorry but I can't recall what numbers I used. I selected a random session from my Hamburg spins and kept track of only the Lw.

I totally agree with you though.

I challenge anyone to pick any public spin records, play any set of ten numbers they want with this progression and show an improvement over my or Winkel's results, or any other results of playing 10 numbers with a 10 step progression.

Bet selection doesn't make a difference in the long run.
Face this reality please. Time is precious.

All the best.

Your friend,
Marven

[J.Daniels]

I think bet selection is everything,

Your rate of hitting decide your success. There is no progression useful in order to beat the randomness, that is a fallacy. you will win if you hit equal or more than expectation.

JD

[hermes]

Yes, in long run everything will equalize but for the present moment it will make an escarts (shows the imperfection), that's what we are to exploit there. We cannot make money on 1 million spin balancing, our lives are too short, but we can take advantage of 12 reds in row.
Hermes

[Ravon]

I think bet selection is everything,

Your rate of hitting decide your success. There is no progression useful in order to beat the randomness, that is a fallacy. you will win if you hit equal or more than expectation.

JD

This may be true, but the trick is finding a progression where it is statistically unlikely to reach the end without winning.

[Kon-Fu-Sed]

Hello all,

hermes wrote:

Yes, in long run everything will equalize

That's true - all numbers WILL eventually have just about 2.7% hits each.

But allow me to quote myself from a post in "the Dark Side", regarding that...

Regards,
KFS

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To some extent that is true: In the very long run all numbers will close to even out.
But the thing is that it is only MATH-PEOPLE who say that and really MEAN it.

[highlight]BECAUSE THEY TALK ABOUT PER CENT![/highlight]

They DON'T mean amounts in NUMBERS or losses in UNITS.


So YOU have to decide if you BET PER CENT or if you BET UNITS.

If you bet per cent; by all means - continue believing that the numbers will even out...
Because they do.
Per-centage-wise...


The rest of us (we who bet units) can look at it this way:

The mathematical average for any number to hit is 2.7% (1/37) and it's all too easy to show, given a substantial amount of roulette-numbers.
In a sample of - say - 3,700 spins each number will hit just about 100 times.
And in a sample of - say - 37,000,000,000 spins each number will hit just about 1,000,000,000 times.

But say that in the smaller sample one number has hit for only TWO PER CENT: It has hit 74 times instead of the expected 100. Waaay below.
That's actually [highlight]TWENTY-SIX[/highlight] losses for a difference of 0.7%

Now look at the larger sample and say that the hit % of that same number has INCREASED to 2.69%.
That's only a difference of 0.01% from the expected 2.7% and only 1/70 of the above.
It's VERY CLOSE to the expected 2.7%.

But it is only 995,300,000 hits instead of the expected 1,000,000,000.

And that means [highlight]4,700,000[/highlight] losses.


So while the AVERAGE "HIT PER CENT" has INCREASED from [highlight]2.0% to 2.69%[/highlight] the NUMBER OF LOSSES has ALSO INCREASED - from [highlight]26 to 4.7 MILLIONS[/highlight].


And this is called to "even out in the very long run"?

Yeah, sure.
I'll buy that any day.
/KFS

[J.Daniels]

good post Konfused,

I see it like a plain going from New York to Madrid. If the play moves his way only 2 or 3 degrees, the cause will be to finish the trip in Holland instead of Madrid. So a little change in the expectation can be BIG change in the long run.

This may be true, but the trick is finding a progression where it is statistically unlikely to reach the end without winning.

In my opinion you can apply a progression when your hitting rate its 50%, otherwise it makes no sense to me. When you loose, you loose bigger, I dont think you have to aim to win every session with enormous progressions which will hit the wall sooner or later.

But you have to keep trying, failing over and over again is the key to success.

JD

[J.Daniels]

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