An invitation to test your trending ability

[Arteinvivo]

...BUT if u put them in groups there are only 3 patterns.

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If it was so simple it would be great, is it not ?

What about PPB or BBP ? Over simplifying is like over complicating.
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[win1win2]

[colorsb]
Hi ARTY
<What about PPB or BBP ? Over simplifying is like over complicating>

The starting point for the runs of.... 2x2   is..... ppb...b
The starting point for the runs of....Chops is..... pbp...b
The starting point for the runs of....Steak is...... ppp...p

do check on the example shoe played

This bet selection will not beat the game but it optimises the
win cycles into profits.

This kind of bet selection is not meant for flat bets.

With a strong Attack Betting the first few losses
can be easily recovered by the winning cycle




Cheers

win1win2
bets without fear many winswinswins are here
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[Arteinvivo]

This bet selection will not beat the game but it optimises the win cycles into profits.

[colorsb]Then if i read correctly, it is not better than 49% ? Why don't you just bet B all the way through, mathematically speaking it is the optimal way to bet.

PPBPPBPPBPPBPPPBBPBBBPPBBPBBPBBPPBBPBB[/colorsb]

BTW, what is your progression scheme ? A fibonacci ?

[win1win2]

Hi Arty

<BTW, what is your progression scheme ? A fibonacci ?>


Here is a short abstract on how to gamble;

How to Gamble If You Must
Kyle Siegrist
Department of Mathematical Sciences
University of Alabama in Huntsville
Abstract
In red and black, a player bets, at even stakes, on a sequence of inde-
pendent games with success probability p, until she either reaches a ¯xed
goal or is ruined. In this article we explore two strategies: timid play in
which the gambler makes the minimum bet on each game, and bold play
in which she bets, on each game, her entire fortune or the amount needed
to reach the target (whichever is smaller). We study the success proba-
bility (the probability of reaching the target) and the expected number of
games played, as functions of the initial fortune. The mathematical analy-
sis of bold play leads to some exotic and beautiful results and unexpected
connections with dynamical systems. Our exposition (and the title of the
article) are based on the classic book Inequalities for Stochastic Processes;
How to Gamble if You Must, by Lester E. Dubbins and Leonard J. Savage.




With timid play, the gambler makes a small constant bet on each game until
she is ruined or reaches the target. This turns out to be a very bad strategy in
unfair games, but does have the advantage of a relatively large expected number
of games. If you play this strategy, you will almost certainly be ruined, but at
least you get to gamble for a while.
With bold play, the gambler bets her entire fortune or what she needs to
reach the target, whichever is smaller. This is an optimal strategy in the unfair
case; no strategy can do better. But it's very quick! If you play this strategy,
there's a good chance that your gambling will be over after just a few games
(often just one!).
Amazingly, bold play is not uniquely optimal in the unfair case. Bold play
can be rescaled to produce an in¯nite sequence of optimal strategies. These
higher order bold strategies can have large expected numbers of games, depend-
ing on the initial fortune (and assuming that the casino is nice enough to allow
you to make the weird fractional bets that will be required for the strategy).
However the point of this article is not to make you a better gambler (in
spite of the title), but to uncover some beautiful mathematics. The study of bold

Hope it will help u to construst a powerful progression

WIN1win2

[win1win2]

HI ARTY,

This is just a suggestion:

An invitation to test your trending ability LIVE in Chat window
[once a week or 2 times a week]

.
So players who really like to improve their betting skill can log in
to c if  the bet Selection  and mm is really up to what they say.

If u c me online i want to demon.  a live shoe
using     Power Attack Betting [my name for it]
short e.g.[colorsb]

      P
      B
w1      P
      T
L4      P
L3      B
W4      P
W25      B
W46      P

ANOTHER PATTERN

      P
      P
      T
w1      P
L4      B
W3      P
L16      P
W5      P
W36      P

[ this is just a short e.g. using PAB ]
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All bets have fixed rules
all units bet have fixed calculation


The win target is:
win 100u 
bankroll 500u

Cheers

WIN1WIN2
bets without fear many winswinswins are here.

[Breeze88]

Hi Arte


Here is how i transformed your shoe into a trend :

The X´s and O´s represent Two ways of playing A system i Designed its based on the 4 Stage RB count
and when you draw a simple Point and Figure Chart you get nice trends with indicators when to bet what and when you should switch the trend and also when you should stop betting but only 54 bets qualified so in total we would have placed 54 bets (aggressive)

with an aggressive way of playing we would have made a profit of +16
with a more safer way we would have made a profit of +8
and with the safest way of playing this trend we would have ended up with a profit of +6


                    X
                    XOX
                    XO O
                 X X   O
              X XO    O
           X XO       OX X             X
        X XO          O O OX          X
        XO                   O O   X X X
O      X                        O   XO O
OX X X                         OX X
O O O                           O O



if youre interrested i post some more info related to this .. till then send another shoe

cheerz

[sniper]

Hello Breeze88,

Thanks for your idea.I have used point and figure charting extensively  during my years trading the futures,stock indexes and forex market.It's interesting to see you applies it in roulette as well.I followed the 4 stage RB count and still testing it.By the way could you please kindly explain further your entry and exit timing in relation to this matter.Do you plot the RB or do you plot from the outcome of the 4 stage RB count.If you plot from the latter could you please illustrate how to do it.Thank you very much.

Regards

sniper

[Breeze88]

Hi Sniper

Hello Breeze88,

Thanks for your idea.I have used point and figure charting extensively  during my years trading the futures,stock indexes and forex market.It's interesting to see you applies it in roulette as well.

Good to hear that you have used chart techniques for several years because with the abbilitys you have you could take this way of playing onto a new level , because i for myself havent scratcht the surface when it comes to analyzing chart techniques , i have read two books about forex and CFD´s , but never really traded.... but i  liked the fact that its possible to take the techniques of charting onto roulette and Baccarat , so i think that you could improve this idea even more..

please kindly explain further your entry and exit timing in relation to this matter.Do you plot the RB or do you plot from the outcome of the 4 stage RB count.If you plot from the latter could you please illustrate how to do it.Thank you very much.

To that i can say i use the simpliest indicators that are also been used in the  Stock charting wich you can see here

nolinks://nolinks.incrediblecharts.com/technical/point_figure_chart_patterns.php

these indicators wich are described in the above link  also work very good for the RB4 stage Count wich can be used for the game of roulette aswell as for Baccarat

About the plotting i can tell you that i use the  outcome from the RB4 Stage count for example

if stage 3 is dominant i backtrack to realted spin/hand and virtually bet on the outcome from the backtracked spin/hand
now if the next outcome is the same we virtually bet on we would have a VW and i would writedown a X , if the opposite
outcome showed we would have a VL and i would write down a O


and when it comes to real betting because i have a indicator ... for example it has broken thru a tripple Top
i would place my bets on X because i jumped on the X trend and i bet on it till i A) reached a new indicator or B) have reached
a stopp loss point according to the chart not the BK also you can set a trailing stop loss.....

so if i would bet on a X Trend i bet on the outcome the dominant stage says

if i would bet on a O  Tren i bet the opposite outcome the stage says


if you have some more questions related to this , feel free to ask ..or if you may have some new ideas related of reading the chart
and indicators to fit themn better to our 'stockmarket' then your ideas a really welcome


till then all the best.. cheerz

[sniper]

Hello Breeze88,

I think your idea is brilliant,it's quite similar to timeline posted numerous time in this forum. We do not know when a betting system is going to win or going to lose. By betting using P&F charting the outcome of LW(lost ,win), I believe you should be able to catch when a streak happen. The loses are taken care and cut short and let the profit run.It's the ingredient of a potential winning strategy.I will work hard on this and come back to you if there is any breakthrough.

Regards

sniper

[mistarlupo]

Hello again Breeze88,

Thank you for sharing your interesting approach, it's much appreciated buddy!
Generally, I think you are the only one in this challenge who was kind enough to post any results & details with the audience (No offense fellas!).

Okay, I've got a couple of questions (more) about these modifications to the RB 4 Stage Count strategy...

In your previous post, you say that you have some indicators [when betting real units]. You also applied some different safe & aggressive ways of playing that give various results... Do you refer to the Lw methodology principles in these two cases or you used some different approach? Thanks in advance.

Cheers!

[Breeze88]

Hi Mistarlupo


Ok , Mate the thing how i applied the RB4STC on this example is like this .. if the RB4STC Bet next on P and its a win i write down an X if its a loss
i write down an O .. i write the trends like the Point and Figure Charts used in stock markets.. similar to this



nolinks://nolinks.incrediblecharts.com/technical/point_figure_chart_patterns.php


and the i use the same indicators wich are used in the point and figure chart technique to jump on the trends m wich you can find in the link

with aggresive or safe i mean the indicators .. there are more safer indicators wich tells me a trend is now more likely to happen

it can happen that you have a double top indicator wich tells me that now a X trend is morelikely to come and then i jump on that trend i.e. bet on
waht the RB4STC says... now it can happen that it was a false break....and the trend indicator was not correct....

in this case i could have add a trailing stop loss wich prevents me to loose to much or stay in profit...

but i could also play saver when i only use the really good indicators like a tripple top.. for example...

be sure to check the lnk out and you know waht i mean..

if you have future questions feel free to ask,,

cheerz

[Charlie201]

Arte ,there was a baccarat method that was posted on Gamblers Glen by Bigjoe , I was wondering if you had a copy you could either post on your studio here or e-mail to me ....Thanks Charlie201  grooviin@msn.com

[Charlie201]

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