An invitation to test your trending ability

[Arteinvivo]

Greeting to all,

I'd like to start a series of discussions on trending and i thought some of you might be interested by real examples from players who think this is a viable tactic.

I'll publish several series of decisions by multiple of 70 hands representing a typical shoe and i'll ask you how you'd bet using a flat-bet amount. I have asked gr8player to participate so let's see how it turns out.

Everyone is welcome to test their trending skills. Of course, you should try to explain what it is you are trying to capture. What kind of arrangement of B/P are you trying to exploit?

[colorsb]Here is the first shoe #1

   P
B   
   P
   P
B   
B   
   P
B   
   P
B   
B   
   P
   P
B   
B   
   P
B   
B   
   P
   P
B   
   P
B   
B   
   P
   P
B   
   P
B   
B   
   P
B   
B   
   P
   P
B   
B   
B   
B   
   P
B   
B   
B   
   P
B   
   P
B   
B   
B   
B   
   P
   P
B   
B   
   P
B   
   P
   P
B   
   P
B   
B   
   P
B   
   P
   P
   P
   P
   P
   P[/colorsb]

[gizmotron]

Greeting to all,

I'd like to start a series of discussions on trending and i thought some of you might be interested by real examples from players who think this is a viable tactic.

I see that you're going to use Baccarat as the example. I'm going to begin work on incorporating copied spins to the clipboard to my current charting system, so that I can test this. I only want to talk about, discuss, trending. For instance, I track 10 separate groups of dozens, four of witch are disk based, the other six table layout based. I also track the six double streets. In all that I'm cognitive of singles and doubles in every tracked grouping. Before each bet I compare different groups to see if one group suggest the likelihood of a single or double in another grouping. I switch between betting on singles or doubles in 30, 26, 24, or 12 numbers bet on per selection per spin at a time. I also guess the absence of a section that appears dormant in order to combine a bet that includes singles and doubles. Now I've trained myself to do this for years. I only do this. I don't wonder off on a new tactic because that takes me off concentration of the entire data flow. I'm above average in intelligence so this method of tracking does not fatigue me. I believe I can do this better than most gamblers because I have trained myself to do it, like a musician, and I have the capacity to not fall behind with it. They say that it's easy to fall behind the data flow of a modern jet fighter plane. That can get you killed. The same thing can happen with data flow in Roulette, if you have the instruments to produce that data flow that is.

So the tests are not that important to me. Being challenged, here on an open forum, to determine if I'm lying or not, is pointless to me. I can discuss part of what I do without divulging everything that I do. I can't infuse intelligence to others. You, Arte, and I are wired opposites in our differing tracking styles. It has always been difficult for me to follow your style. I also believe that you are above average intelligence level and that you are an absolute quick study of your own charting technique. You should be a fantastic player with these assets. Your interests in detection and recognition are a welcome sign these days. BTW, I love ribbing you too.

[Arteinvivo]

Glad to hear from you Gizmotron and welcome into this new décor. You can bring all that you want to the dinning room  There is a cup of wine for you.

[gizmotron]

There is a cup of wine for you.

I'll drink to that.

Are there any more trenders and pattern observers here?

[Arteinvivo]

Welcome mistarlupo,

Note that it's not intended to be a challenge but more a type of exploration as a trend can represent many things for different persons. Winning a couple of units each session we play is the ultimate goal. I am presently focusing my attention mainly on clumping arrangement which spontaneously emerges as a way to capture a trend.

[bliss]

I never could get the hang of trends, every time I try to exploit one, it dries up. 

However, I do like trends, if only because without them there would be no anti-trends, and I prefer to target the "maturity of chances" opportunities. The first thing I noticed about your shoe, Arte, was that it's very choppy - no streak greater than 2 in the first 30 hands or so. Earlier on in the shoe I'd bet against a previous streak length being repeated (looking at both sides separately). I'd notice the choppiness and round about hand 25 I'd start betting FTL, using a mild positive progression. All in all, I made 9 units. I look for patterns all the time, and also for patterns within patterns. Mostly I play roulette though, tracking all 3 EC simultaneously, that way it's easy to spot intersections of sets.

[gizmotron]

I am presently focusing my attention mainly on clumping arrangement which spontaneously emerges as a way to capture a trend.

I don't want to create this, but I once suggested a construct or a kind of lexicon of "clumping arrangements" to establish a syntax of text based words. You could create a computer program to find these words in a continuous stream of letters representing B or P. You could verify by checking for each form of a trends basic construction and repetition. A data stream would be without empty space or white spacing, BPPBBPPBBBBPBPBPBPPP etc...

Just an idea that I don't want to blow any brain cells on. I thought that the best way to do this would be to build a parent script, OOPs,  that could use inheritance to check thousands of groupings and like in Roulette thousands of more groups to be tested for similar pattern groupings. This would be a perfect job for a computer. The line break in your charts makes it hard to see continuous symmetry at a glance. You have to imagine it, I think. At least at a casino while tracking that is. Too bad we can't take a computer into a casino.

[Arteinvivo]

...The first thing I noticed about your shoe, Arte, was that it's very choppy - no streak greater than 2 in the first 30 hands or so. Earlier on in the shoe I'd bet against a previous streak length being repeated (looking at both sides separately). I'd notice the choppiness and round about hand 25 I'd start betting FTL, using a mild positive progression. All in all, I made 9 units. I look for patterns all the time, and also for patterns within patterns. Mostly I play roulette though, tracking all 3 EC simultaneously, that way it's easy to spot intersections of sets.

[colorsb]
The one constant in that shoe that jumps at me is this formation:

   P
B   
   P
   P
B   
B   
   P

or filtered :

   P
 
   P
   P

   P

In other words, if you'd have bet B after the last P each time this formation occured then you'd have won +7 units:

   P
B   
   P
   P
B   
B   
   P
B    +1
   P
B   
B   
   P
   P
B   
B   
   P
B    +1
B   
   P
   P
B   
   P
B    +1
B   
   P
   P
B   
   P
B    +1
B   
   P
B   
B   
   P
   P
B   
B   
B   
B   
   P
B    +1
B   
B   
   P
B   
   P
B   
B   
B   
B   
   P
   P
B   
B   
   P
B    +1
   P
   P
B   
   P
B    +1
B   
   P
B   
   P
   P
   P
   P
   P
   P[/colorsb]

[bliss]

Gizmo, maybe you're aware of this already but there's an entire branch of machine learning (data mining) dedicated to "cluster analysis" - nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_clustering

also you might be interested in checking out this book on data mining which includes algorithms for cluster analysis, plus many other data mining techniques:
nolinks://nolinks.team509.com/download/docs/AI/data%20mining/Morgan.Kaufmann.Data.Mining.Practical.Machine.Learning.Tools.and.Techniques.Second.Edition.Jun.2005.eBook-DDU.pdf

It's pretty good and doesn't assume you're a math whiz, also there's accompanying software.

[gizmotron]

Gizmo, maybe you're aware of this already but there's an entire branch of machine learning (data mining) dedicated to "cluster analysis" - nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_clustering

I am aware of it. There's this too: nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pattern_recognition

I've been doing this stuff since 1999 when I experimented with my own ideas for the future use of XML. I invented my own pull-parser for non-hierarchy type data structures, that method used pattern recognition and position as the primary form of structuring. In this way I was able to throw away the common database and the table structuring associated with relational databases. I've been a maverick ever since.

[Arteinvivo]

My way of finding a trend is by applying multiple filters to a stream and look for order or repetition of a particular pattern. A pattern can be applied to one side or both sides. I usually try to look how gaps between occurrences of the same type develop such as Single - Gap - Run - Gap - Single. This was the filter i used in my example above.

[gizmotron]

My way of finding a trend is by applying multiple filters to a stream and look for order or repetition of a particular pattern. A pattern can be applied to one side or both sides. I usually try to look how gaps between occurrences of the same type develop such as Single - Gap - Run - Gap - Single. This was the filter i used in my example above.

Yeah, and it worked for you. I'm always fascinated with other's selection of a premise. There is a value in being comfortable with your own groupings and your conclusions regarding your guessing. Sometimes, when I can't see a pattern, an over all dominance of one side is sitting right there in front of me. So I just go after that for a while. It always comes down to when change happens.

[win1win2]

Hello  Arty

Result of testing shoe from u
[colorsb]
  P
B   
   P.. w
   P.. l
B.. .. .w   
B.. .. .w   
   P.. w
B.. .. .l   
   P.. w
B.. .. .w   
B.. .. .l   
   P.. w
   P.. w
B.. .. .w   
B.. .. .w   
   P.. w
B.. .. .l   
B.. .. .l   
   P.. w
   P.. w
B.. .. .w   
   P.. l
B.. .. .w   
B.. .. .l   
   P.. w
   P.. w
B.. .. .w   
   P.. l
B.. .. .w   
B.. .. .l   
   P.. w
B.. .. .l   
B.. .. .l   
   P.. w
   P.. w
B.. .. .w   
B.. .. .w   
B.. .. .l   
B.. .. .w   
   P.. l
B.. .. .w   
B.. .. .l   
B.. .. .l   
   P.. l
B.. .. .w   
   P.. w
B.. .. .w   
B.. .. .l   
B.. .. .l   
B.. .. .w   
   P.. l
   P.. l
B.. .. .w   
B.. .. .w   
   P.. w
B.. .. .l   
   P.. w
   P.. l
B.. .. .w   
   P.. l
B.. .. .w   
B.. .. .l   
   P.. w
B.. .. .l   
   P.. w
   P.. l
   P.. l
   P.. w
   P.. w
   P.. w
[/colorsb]

l=27  w= 39
Cheers


Win1win2
Bets without fear many WinsWINsWIns are here.

[Arteinvivo]

Hello Mr. Win,

Would you mind explaining what you tried to capture in this arrangement of B/P?

[win1win2]

[colorsb]Hello to all,

In a baccarat game there are billions of combination in 72hands
BUT if u put them in groups there are only 3 patterns.
namely :
[A] single...... BPBPB
[B] double .... BBPPBBPP
[C] groups of 2 or more....... BBBBBB

That was how the shoe was played trying to trap
either one of this patterns.

Cheers
Win1win2

[/colorsb]

[win1win2]

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