Between Science and Art

[Marven]

The following is a quote from Arte regarding gambling and the study of the games of chance:

"Gambling is not an exact science. It's not for people who like clear black and white figures. It is for the artist who has a sense of stats and who can deal with fuzzy things."

Source: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/baccarat/what%27s-in-a-gap-study-on-gaps-distribution/msg35253/#msg35253

Regards,
Marven

[gizmotron]

The following is a quote from Arte regarding gambling and the study of the games of chance:

"Gambling is not an exact science. It's not for people who like clear black and white figures. It is for the artist who has a sense of stats and who can deal with fuzzy things."

Have you ever tried to discuss this with Arteinvivo? He's talking about fuzzy math. There's lots of room for interpretation. My experience is that it was meant as a point of condemning others for their lack of knowledge. I know because he aimed at me once.

[Marven]

Have you ever tried to discuss this with Arteinvivo?

Nope. Never had a chance to talk to him.
I liked those words though as I already had the same sort of idea in mind.

My experience is that it was meant as a point of condemning others for their lack of knowledge. I know because he aimed at me once.

I'm sorry to hear that mate. Personally though, and based on what I have seen, I have great respect for the guy.

He's talking about fuzzy math. There's lots of room for interpretation.

I'm not sure that I know what you mean by "He's talking about fuzzy math". His use of the expression 'fuzzy things' within the context of his sentence was pretty clear. To my understanding, it means things that are not ruled by absolute rules and an exact science, just as art is.

For instance, when a composer decides to write music, he is faced with an infinite number of possible combinations of notes, harmonies, and chord progressions that can be relied on. (in a game of chance, this could be patterns, or any combinations of results)

There are certain rules, and techniques that he might use, things that are well defined and universally accepted by music theorists, such as scales and keys, etc. (in roulette, this would be systems, methods, and bet selections)

Even the notes themselves are not infinite, they are simply 12 notes in different octaves. (in roulette, this is 37/38 numbers)
HOWEVER, what you can do with those 12 notes is what's infinite. Creating music is a personal/subjective experience, and there are infinite things that you can experiment with.
There is no absolute notion. No holy grail system.
In fact, 'holy grail' and 'system' are two contradictory concepts! (in my opinion of course)

So if you can't deal with 'fuzzy things' (as Arte expressed), if you're a "1+1=2 and this is all I can live by" kind of person, then beating a game of chance would surely be one heck of a task, I imagine.

It seems to me that things like VB or advanced strategy play etc. are each an art that uses scientific tools (e.g. calculations, and such), rather than being an exact science or mechanism.

Just an opinion.

Regards,
Marven

P.s. I'm a musician. Lol

[gizmotron]

I'm not sure that I know what you mean by "He's talking about fuzzy math". His use of the expression 'fuzzy things' within the context of his sentence was pretty clear. To my understanding, it means things that are not ruled by absolute rules and an exact science, just as art is.

When someone uses "stats and fuzzy things" that might mean something too. This: "sense of stats and who can deal with fuzzy things."


Look at this music:

nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possibility_theory

The only problem was his charts didn't make any sense, and his theories were so complex that they were highly impractical to play in a real casino. So if he understood anything, he kept it to himself by explaining it with almost impossible to understand explanations.  I never saw anything that produced a long term win. He used to brow beat me in the philosophy of sharing as advocated by someone we both knew, Peter Small. I can really see why Arte liked Peter.

[gizmotron]

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