Random ball release........

[TwoCatSam]

Hello

They tell me the wheel spins at an average of one revolution every three seconds.  Let's speed it up to one RPM.  We are changing directions with each spin from CW to CCW as usual.

The CasinoWebCam wheel spins unbelievably fast and the ball sits on a pedestal during the entire 30 seconds you're given to bet.  The wheel turns around 30 or more spins while the ball is motionless.  I can see no possible way dealer signature could enter into this spinning procedure.  Can you?

Yet this is a very beatable wheel.  It is a Huxley Starburst.  Imagine my joy when I learned Microgaming had changed to the same wheel.  Short-lived joy!  They spin the wheel much slower and leave it motionless during betting.  Only when time is up does she give it the push and spin the ball.  Hear me now and believe me later, but there is a world of difference in the sectors these two wheel produce.

I am thinking the CWC wheel is totally, 100% random and the Microgaming wheel is influenced by the dealer.

Comments?

Sam

[lucky_strike]

I can see no possible way dealer signature could enter into this spinning procedure.

Hi TwoCatSam.

What is an dealer signatur based upon?
What elements is there to track to find an common ground to base it on?

When i see the word dealer signatur being used i find it fuzzy and when some one use the word of hybrids of dealer signatur i cant grasp it.
This becomes abstract for me.

Cheers LS

[Kon-Fu-Sed]

Hi LS,

(Have to make this one quick...)

To me, a "signature" is measured as the distance from the "release-number" (the number passing the hand - or nozzle in an air-ball machine) at ball-release moment, and the number where the ball ends up.
This can be combined with wheel- and ball-speed and lots of other things.

Collect a lot of such distances and you've got a "signature" - hopefully.

There are some tools I've written in JavaScript (run in your browser) in both the general and members downloads.
Spino's DS tracker may be what you want to check first. In the general download (uploaded in August, I think)
Also check the software section.
Maybe some more...?


Really have to log-out now.
Kon-Fu-Sed

[lucky_strike]

Thanks Kon-Fu-Sed.
So this is how you define a dealer signatur.

Quote:
Signature is measured as the distance from the release-number and the number where the ball ends up.

Cheers LS

[sniper]

Hello Friends,

There are many types of dealers.Some couldn't care where the balls drop and spins in a relax manner.The force used is quite consistant for each spin.Some dealers try to be smart and change the style of spinning each time the house lose or make less.They varies their spin force each spin and is very irregular.Some dealers are were sloppy,their wheel spin are always constant and spin force don't varies much.Some dealers like slow wheel speed and slow ball speed.If these dealers used heavier weight balls,the balls will drop easily into slot without much drama.I strongly believe it's more predictable and consistant.New dealers usually spin fast wheel and fast ball.Only old timer and experienced dealers can spin slow ball. The key point is to look for old and experienced dealers who are dreamers and like to spin slow wheels and slow balls.This is just my opinion,please ignore if it sounds like crab.

Regards

sniper

[lucky_strike]

Nice sniper.

I think we could add some of that you wrote to become a new definiton about what a dealer signatur is about, because it has the elements.
When you have the elements then it can be measured and become an challange to find the regularity to become an dealer signatur.

Thanks LS

[sniper]

Hello Lucky,
I believe it's better to identify the skills of the dealers before you start charting. It will be a waste of time if you chart inconsistent dealers. It will be of no use if the dealer is inconsistent. Lookout for senior experienced old timer who usually likes to spin slow wheel and slow ball.Once you learn to look out for such dealers,I believe you will achieve what you want to do.Learning how to filter dealers will play a very important part to ensure your success in this method of play.

Regards
sniper

[ikarianman]

ok,i found the correct thread to post this.

if you have a dealer signature lets say  +15 pockets from last outcome on cw spins,then u have a huge advantage,i am almost sure for this because then you can  bet a 180 degree pie and win almost every time.
BUT!what do you do when the dealer DOESN'T releases from last outcome and releases randomly???

[ikarianman]

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