THE GRANDPAAA WAY

[chrisbis]

@Nottophammer

First set of numbers you posted up, last series:-

6,28,32,6,1,23,4,18,35,10

these are tough numbers to crack! 

the ones previous where nice, but those about..............

[nottophammer]

28 gives 32, 32 picks up 35
stake £1 unit  = 9,9,9,18,18,27. total £90.00 return 108, 18.00 profit. ( 1,1,1,2,2,3) so why so hard to crack.

[chrisbis]

Well, I didn't say impossible! 

Just harder than the others.
I got what you got from those, 2 wins only.

The others had multiple wins.
Fixed BisCend9 would win on the tough ones.
I will now see what BisCending would have given me!? 

[nottophammer]

Chrisbis
been catching up on smart live roulette on sky.
Have 3 seperate sessions recorded with 230 spins in each. Will try and load on here some time. Wont be showing granpa's triggers thou, to hard to type out as there are triggers playing within triggers, but if you copy off you will see them, me, instead of a D i put  a T for trigger,helps when multipals of T's are showing.
Longest run on a trigger seen today has been 13. If you bet those triggered numbers like this you should be okay,

1,1,1,2,2,3,4,5,10,15,20,25,35,50.

[chrisbis]

Will await your upload.
or you can email them direct to me on
paul_bishop@ymail.com

[gavind]

Can you also send this to me by any chance?

[status]

hello,
can somebody create an excel using this system? or a software to let you know when to bet

[nottophammer]

Hi Chrisbis
Smart live roulette on sky, 12am 4/8/13

[chrisbis]

Cheers!

[nottophammer]

Chrisbis,
just back from Turners,obviously RNG machine by global draw.

Now you see table layout, then the spins. 14 is the 88 spin and is first spin on sheet two, spins recorded going down. T along top is trigger,numbers below T are the spins and beside is the bet. All bets start 20p*9. Progression is 1,1,1,2,2,3,4,5,10,15,20,25,35,50.
first trigger goes 13, close heh. That would have made ausguy's day, (rng always gets you). Aus nothing wins for ever,must lose sometime,just look at favorites,top football teams and not for getting australian cricket team LOL.

Now B/R £400.00, started game with £100.00 on meter. During play had to invest more, total spend £280.00, walked out with £419, £139 profit, played for about hour and ten mins.

Sorry attachment large but presume you can print off?

[ausguy]

Was that a swallow that just flew by ? Nah ! My mistake it was just a pigeon. Beware the false dawn.

"nothing wins forever" - Sporting teams may fall but RNG providers keep on keeping on (forever). Have you ever seen one that's gone broke ?
You won't when a continuous flow of gullible LOSING punters ensure regular healthy profits pour into the bet providers coffers.

Just remember this Mr. Hammer re: Your "close" call situation & your inferred remark that had you lost "that would have made ausguy's day."

Incorrect Hammer, as with most people, whether you win squillions or go broke it won't affect my life one little bit & certainly you won't see me dancing around the room in a euphoric state chanting "It's made my day" "Hammer just lost"   "ding dong it's made my day, Hammer's just lost."

In fact if you read some of my previous posts I actually wish you well on your "missions" & still do. However I still push the "anti RNG barrow" so that other players know the real risks of playing RNG games.

Your recent play tells a story as your starting (in game credits) BR was 100 quid (my keyboard doesn't have a pom GBP symbol).
So your min. bet to BR ratio was 1 : 500 (20p - 100 quid). Well above adequate. Translate that ratio to real chip casino play & at a $10 minimum the BR would be $5,000. A lot larger than what I'd use & most other players too I'd expect ?

Many players playing the same/similar game machine might only play with a 100 BR ? As was your case you were mostly shot on your 1st BR & "invested" a further 180 into your play. Luck/good play methods saw you EVENTUALLY pull a net profit of 139 quid. The risk was always there that your other 180 could have been "eaten" also ?

If you lost the 100 + 180 = 280; Hammer, what was your next move ? Pump more in or walk away -280 poorer ?

It's the players that lose the 100, or similar, and walk away "lighter in the pocket" that I feel for as after all the BR ratio @ 1 : 500 is relatively large.
Not many, I would expect, would pump another 180% +/- to their 1st BR chasing their losses ?

This scenario is repeated (in various BR sizes) thousands of times every day which ensures profits continue to flow for the bet provider.

 

[nottophammer]

Hi Aus
As you know by now 99% of my game play is RNG. Have recorded 800 plus games and have an avg to when each one of the 37 numbers gets hit. Would have been many more, but threw them in the dustbin, out of thinking the RNG was learning my game play,machine is scientific, is it not.

So when i play, the machine wants a pound to spin,why should i have to pay for the spin,if i feel my bet is going to loose. So i cheap spin for £1.20 by covering the double streets, providing the zero dont show i get the £1.20 back. Good heh.
Well aus its those punters that global draw like that loose nearly every time,as they just cover aunties birthday and other birthdates, you get the picture, there mugs.

Now i've said this before, i spin 10 and lets make it simple, i get  no repeat, this leaves 27 numbers to cover. Well the avg shows the 11th number could take 5 spins to come in,so 27 X .20p =£5.40 to win £1.80, so is this 1 to 3 on,who cares as long as it wins. Now you can cover the 27 for 3 spins, so i wait and see if it repeats twice,if it does then the bets on. The mugs dont play this way, they just curse the machine when its taking their money, which happens to be most of the time.

Well i've been playing with granps way, the block of 9. Now the stumbling block to this could be say we're covering trigger 21, this is in the 2nd doz, and it starts to sleep, we could be in trouble. Haven't meet this yet, but on RNG, have seen  any of the three dozens take 27 spins to come in, as i've been there and lost it, ding dong hammers lost LOL. Also some times theres 2 or 3 triggers playing at the same time and it s quite something tracking them,and the stakes get quite high.
So Aus i wait for the bet, i  dont just spin like the mugs in the shop, okay, but it seems you believe me and others aren't capable of making it pay, just my opinion.

[ausguy]

Hammer - All good that you eventually won 139 after outlaying all up 280. Structured play saw you lose then recover.

If you had lost the 280 (as previously asked) would you have then quit your play session OR "invested" more money into the game ? 

The min. 20p bet to 280 BR ratio calcs. to a substantial   1 : 1,400. Align this with a $10 chip B & M casino min. & I would then have $14,000 bulging in/out of my wallet/pockets. That's enough to buy a nice new small car.

The devils in the detail here. Many players play like as follows (lets say they have 300 in kitty to play with). They feed the game 100 to start their play. X time later they are running on empty & -100 (AT THIS STAGE SO WERE YOU). They feed in another 100 & XX time later they are again running low & now -200 (PROBABLY YOU ALSO ?).
They then push in an extra 50 ( or for you 80 ?) & XXX time later they are once more empty & -250 (I ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR FORTUNES NOW TURNED FROM BAD TO GOOD BUT POTENTIALLY COULD HAVE ALSO FAILED). Finally the last 50 is given to the ever hungry "bird" until it too is gone so player folds on -300 loss & casino/venue smiles at another 300+ in kitty.

Playing in fractions of your total BR usually affects your bet decisions. Baulking & "not pushing the money out" when the progression dictates you too is a major cause of  of game loss failures.

Mentally it's a lot different having eg 170 in your balance rather than 20 & 150 on standby in your pocket. In the hope your luck will change so you don't have to dip into your standby 150 ?
Due to the common human failing (for gambling) of EMOTION I favour playing with all your BR from the start. So 300 as in my example or in your case Hammer 280 not 100.

One other thought with your win Hammer is that the RNG game generally is bet reactive to the total cash flows generated by all players. As you say you played for about 70 minutes. Making an educated guess I put you in negative balance at the 35 - 40 min. mark, so the game "needed" your money & took it, so maybe you were -200 by then ?

At the 41min. mark the RNG game "vault" was flush with funds as lots of other players had made their "DONATIONS" so the program backed off on your plays & "ALLOWED" you to recover & finish with a 49.6% profit ?

As you say Hammer you wait for the bet & don't spin like mugs do in the (betting) shop BUT there was a significant 1st part of your 70 minutes that you too were losing.

Making it pay for me means winning much more than losing over the long term. Let's see how good/bad, +/- ,VIABLE you are after a year of plays ?

It's not a case of me believing that you & others are or are not capable of making it pay but more of a case that the RNG rigged system won't allow you to win consistantly.  It would be interesting to see how GRAMPS stacks up with real dealer play, naturally a higher BR would be needed so as to match the higher table amounts?

 

[nottophammer]

Thanks Ausguy,

Structured play, thats right strategy not willy nilly.

if it had lost the 14th spin then thats the end of the bet, END, i repeat END, no chasing, just the end of that bet.

Other bets come.

In the first trigger,it triggers another 3 triggers and its early days with granps for me,so theres possibley a mistake with marquee regarding numbers 28 and 22,i missed writting down a 28,as said early days, got to get use to writting down, as a lot is going on, 1st lay a pound so machine has you in the next draw and lots of recording to do.

Anyway Aus hear from you later

[chrisbis]

Apologies in advance if I am getting this wrong...

Now B/R £400.00, started game with £100.00 on meter. During play had to invest more, total spend £280.00, walked out with £419, £139 profit, played for about hour and ten mins.

Is the profit £139 or £39 if you started with £400 ?

Is there something I missed?
Or is it, U put £100 on the table, then had to invest more, (additional £180), making £280 given to the casino, and you got back £419 which would rightly = a plus of £139

What is your total bank roll now?

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Nice................Thanx for the update below..... (I'm just saving the planet with one less post!) lol
Well done. 

[chrisbis]

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