System FACTS. Like it or not.

[Ulysses]

BooRay

Smells like propaganda reading Alairians quote

I've worked as a programmer for Playtech, one of the (surprisingly few) companies that develops a certified Online Casino Software.
I can assure you that the above statement is absolutely true. There is however one way to abuse this, as I like to call it, Unethical Business Practice by Online Casinos.
Other developer's certified software that I can confirm have this property are Chartwell, Cryptologic and RTG.
I am going to disclose the exact method of doing this in my Millionaire School at my Personal Section when I get there.
In order to abuse this optimally you will need a roulette bot since it requires inhuman speed. I am done developing a bot for this purpose.

A bot for any other purpose regarding RNG, that I can think of, is merely a doomsday tool that will help you bankrupt as fast as possible.

I am not saying he was not a programmer for Playtech but c'mon what level programmer was he? Did he design the RNG that playtech use. Doubt it.

Every other failed online roulette player b***hes about how they must be fixed. Then morph themselves into a programmer who has insider knowledge.

They don't need to employ

Unethical Business Practice by Online Casinos

to get your money. As most players just hand it over to them through making adrenalin fueled large bets with an absence of discipline.

A good freind of mine was convinced progression was the best method to beat roulette. Watching him play, I could not believe the amounts of money he was wagering. Starting with a 1000 he got up to 20,000 but would not quit. He lost his winnings plus his 1000. Why? Why did he nearly every time he played a session boost his starting BR to 10x 20x and not stop and withdraw? His own words where "it's the software, it starts cheating when I have won" of course the software it cheats. No he just cheated himself. Every time he played.

My point is you can beat RNG and Real roulette if you master some discipline. Stop aiming for that 100,000 just take a 1000 and play another casino and another until your money is safely in your bank from those casinos. Over a year you will get your 100,000. Then there is next year and the year after. My rule is double my BR then withdraw. Millionaire school, get rich quick. No get comfortable slowly.

[Boo_Ray]

@Ulysses

alarians skill level of programing is high enough that he knows exacly what programs were designed for... They were designed to steal money from people.. Today some online casinos are made that way that they avtomaticly give you bonus and lure you into wagering requirements.. That was my first personal experience on joyland when I deposited and marked for no bonus and I still got bonus.. so I had to contact them and they had to manualy cancel my bonus(first thing they asked was: "were you playing during that time".... ofcourse I wasn't) .. I also told them that they block all bonuses for further deposits..
That is how they work... And if you are smart enough you can learn something from that..

Marven allready told you that you are just writing about something that is more likely to be nonsense... I don't care If you win on RNG(winning is good for you).. But stop spoiling thread and section that is designed for wheel/delaer analysis and VB, with something like RNG - which actualy isn't roulette (it is a number generator with roulette layout)

I can also start typing on forums that I have the knowledge and skill to win at slotgames.. but we all know that is not true and unapropriate for this section..

[Ulysses]

You and Marven seem to have it all figured out. If censoring and banning debate seems to be your mantra, then I will gladly not post here further. Peace.

Uly

[alarian]

Yes probability states the odds are against you based on a million spins or so, giving the house a 2.7% edge. 

Hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooold your horses 

2,7% negative edge:
37 numbers on the table
35 to 1 payback

If it's 36 to 1 payback, the edge is even

[ryan08]

RNG is different however because it is programmed to stick to the percentages so over a million spins again you wouldn't find a bias at all, every number will have the statistical 2.7% HE it is supposed to.


Wrong wrong wrong, It isn't programmed to stick to the percentage. I have already set the record straight with jackals

it is designed to stick to percentages, im 99.9% sure that a biased RNG doesnt exist. also no-one is saying there is anything wrong with RNG but thats precisely the point, the flaws in a live wheel can be taken advantage of and profited from, RNG is flawless and i dont see how you can beat a flawless game with the odds stacked against you.

if you think otherwise you have to prove me wrong not just tell me im wrong.

[Marven]

it is designed to stick to percentages, im 99.9% sure that a biased RNG doesn't exist. also no-one is saying there is anything wrong with RNG but thats precisely the point, the flaws in a live wheel can be taken advantage of and profited from, RNG is flawless and I dont see how you can beat a flawless game with the odds stacked against you.

if you think otherwise you have to prove me wrong not just tell me im wrong.

I agree.

@Ulysses,

Claims are one thing, and proven facts are another thing.

Here in the Darkside, we (quite naturally) prefer proven facts. That's all there is to it.

BooRay said:

you don't agree.. But herb is right
give us some reasons why don't you agree?

Marven said:

If you think it's possible, prove it!

Ryan said:

if you think otherwise you have to prove me wrong not just tell me im wrong.

If you can only prove to us what you are saying about RNG's, then you are most welcome to post here.
Otherwise, you are most likely to keep receiving the above requests.

[Ulysses]

The Ulysses System

System groups

1 & 2 & 12 & 21 - Bet only when 12 or 21 has landed twice within 9 paper hits. Bet for 9 spins max.

1 & 3 & 13 & 31 - Bet only when 13 or 31 has landed twice within 9 paper hits. Bet for 9 spins max.

2 & 3 & 23 & 32 - Bet only when 23 or 32 has landed twice within 9 paper hits. Bet for 9 spins max.


1 & 2 & 3 & 11 & 22 & 33 - Bet only when 11 or 22 or 33 has landed twice within 6 paper hits. Bet for 6 spins max.

0 & 10 & 20 & 30 - Bet only when 0 or 10 or 20 or 30 has landed twice within 9 paper hits. Bet for 9 spins max.


When you begin a session you must wait for a win to hit on paper. That is you are not going to start betting after the first two paper hits. You must wait for an un-betted win before you begin. Now you observe paper hits that fit one of the groups, then bet that group.

The way to play each of the groups is, after you have identified two of the stated system numbers of a group. For example 23 and 32 have landed within 9 spins of each other, you bet 2 & 3 & 23 & 32 if any number hits (say the 2 has hit) before the 9 spins you do not continue up to the max. You bag the win. Then discard those numbers including your winning number 2, and wait for the next two paper hits that land within 9 spins of each other.

More importantly if you lose on a group, do not continue blindly on, in the hope it will come in with a few extra spins. Yes it might, but the rules are there for a reason and must be followed.

Apart from my own testing of 5000 playtech RNG spins I have pulled some (not many) actuals from 'real' random results and it faired well on those too also on random.org results inputting 0-36 for 500 generated numbers. Don't ask me why I was just curious. A little thrown as to why it was fairly successful on pure randomness? But only dabbled with checks on real rand. But it makes no odds to me anyway as it would be to slow to implement on a live game, but worthwhile if it gave you the edge in the long run. Playtech rng though, has the ability to generate a number instantly so I can paper hit quickly through to a system group that can be bet. This success of this system is only based on 5000 spins, if in my next 5000 spins with real money it might fail, it might not.

We can only base the future success of a system on past results. But that is by no means a measure of how successful a system will be. A good system to me is one that is not volatile, that maintains a level of stability. Time will tell for this one.

Uly[smiley=beer.gif]

   

[ryan08]

thankyou for sharing, i shall have a go at it when i get chance and post how i got on with it, i have my opinions and doubts but i will wait and see. you mention that you have tested this over 5000 spins, so just a few questions and comments here.

firstly i seem to remember you say in earlier posts that you have had success playing RNG for 3 years now, is this the system that you have been using or a different one? is this specifically designed to try and beat an RNG wheel?also 5000 spins isnt really definative in testing, its the amount of bets that is the measure for testing. ive learned 10000 bets should be the minimum benchmark for a thurough test, also if you do 10000 spins and bet every spin, your testing would have to last a minimum of 10000 spins but if you only bet 1 in 3 spins then your testing would need to be 30000 spins so the amount of spins will vary.

lastly i feel i must say this, alot of people who read the posts in here from the 'darkside' members of the forum take us as having a negative attitude towards the game, but truth be told no-one more than us would like there to be a winning system that cannot fail, but after a long time studying roulette i cannot possibly see such a system exist, and i personally think that if you believe in the 'holy grail' then you dont understand the game of roulette. so im not after an arguement when i disagree about people saying they have a winning system, its just with the information and knowledge i have, i have no choice but to disagree. im just saying all this because ive made a few people 'unhappy' with my comments before and dont want to do it again 

[Ulysses]

You are correct Ryan, there is no 'one' system that works all the time, every time. But there are systems that exist that when applied at certain stages of a game may and in my experience mostly do, gain you the advantage.

Its to me all about observing what is happening with the numbers, not just making a prediction from the last 12 numbers but also from what has been occurring over the last 100 spins. I can see when a certain system may be applied when the numbers are unfolding and they meet the criteria of that particular system. Applying that system at that time is the risk you are taking. Its not set in stone that it will pay off, but at least it is based on past experience that it has the best chance of producing a good result than relying completely on a single system all the time. I dare say no one plays blindly on when the numbers stop winning, they change tact by waiting, introducing another strategy or stopping altogether.

The point I'm trying to make is, it is near impossible to show you or anyone how I play in a game. As I draw on so many strategies throughout any game. The only consolation to this is that I only use 3 systems and will use one or all depending on the game. One of which I posted a long, long time back in the full systems section 'fouroulette system' and it received a similar reception to what you guys believe about rng. That system worked very well at the time and still works the same now after tens of thousands of spins, if you add all my games up over that year. This is how I have created my own system the 'Ulysses system' above, by recognising and applying my own logic from other systems I have found on VLS and the net that work with repetition.

The way I understand a winning system is that it can be used as a tool to increase my advantage. But at the same time I draw on many other methods I have learned, that may give
me the advantage at certain points in the game. The HG you mentioned, that it is a term used by persons who don't understand roulette, yeah I can see where your perspective is coming from though I see the HG as that element of rng, a combination of numbers that repeat together more times than not over hundreds of games and are a part of the algorithm's output and when a time comes that they do not perform then they will be useless, but until then they are very useful to us.

I know you will say this is ridiculous and impossible, but I'm not posting here to prove I have found a HG. I post because I have the same interest as you in winning as much as I can at roulette. Even if you hate the idea of playing rng as you believe it to be another form of slot machine. That's fine I have no problem with that. Look at it from my point of view, I enjoy playing live roulette more than rng but I won't dismiss the opportunity that rng gives me over live at the present time. Also I am grateful you have bothered to look into my system whatever your verdict is otherwise there is no point in posting our ideas.[smiley=beer.gif] 

[Marven]

Ulysses,

Thank you for sharing.
Like Ryan, my opinion is still unchanged due to my experiences, but I will give this a try and see how it performs.

Respectfully,
Marven

[Marven]

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