Hi can you give us some hints regarding how you explore an dealer signature.

[lucky_strike]

Hi Kimo Li.

I wondering if you can tell us a little about what a dealer signature is and how you explore one.

Do you use sectors and cross over patterns?
Do you use high peaks and hybrids of dealer signature?
How does an significant condition look like for an attack?
Do you get more then one distance to track?

Cheers LS

[stvv1924]

Hi Kimo Li.

I wondering if you can tell us a little about what a dealer signature is and how you explore one.

Do you use sectors and cross over patterns?
Do you use high peaks and hybrids of dealer signature?
How does an significant condition look like for an attack?
Do you get more then one distance to track?

Cheers LS

No answer.  This must be a big secret...

[lucky_strike]

Yes it is and it grasp the core so it is not so strange that there is no reply to this 

Cheers LS

[Jish]

i read the book, what did i learn....umm lol, it seemed to me the book was based on a system and since im on the dark side i will say that they dont work

[Bo0Merang]

i did find some pages copy on  the net.. well i dont know i even dont  understand what  that  Kimo kiddin g there

[Jakkalsdraai]

Kimo's work is not based on mechanical systems. It is rather a type of  advantage play if you like. So Jish ..... your comments are not correct.

[Jish]

i havent put into practice what i read, for it didnt seem too logical (to me) is it the fundementals of some form of VB? because all i saw in the book were patterns and you look for the pattern

[Jakkalsdraai]

Whatever I know is not for me to share. It is all Kimo's material and his to share. BTW I'm not claiming in anyway that I know his methods and ways in their full because I don't. Far from it! Just look at Hemi's, Bowties and Nukes. There is your advantage play or part of it. I have noticed that dealers will have a standard speed spinning the ball. They will also have a slow spin to change sectors.

Just by observing a dealer when he spins, you could have an advantage. You know the dealer might have standard spin and might be spinning Bowties with this. His slow spin might be majority Hemi results. Obviously not every standard spin will be a Bowtie and not every slow spin will be a Hemi. But if you have a consistant dealer you will have an advantage. You will have more winners than loosers.

So, it is not vb in anyway except for the fact that you are looking for a consistant dealer with maybe 2-3 identifiable variations which could be tied directly to ball movement and therefore dealer signature.

There is offcourse also a helluva lot of other aspects and angles to Kimo's play which he incorporates with each other. So the ball movement is only an aspect of what is a very large picture. Except for the advantage play aspect using physics, in this case ball movement using Hemi, Bowties and Nukes, there are patterns to observe that will give you an edge. This as well is advantage play. Think about it. Someone tells you that past results do not matter..... Holyman tells you that it does and that the wheel does have memory. I agree with HM. Why? Very simple. If Bowties and Hemi's and Nukes occur creating patterns, ie that certain movements are dominant. Why can the wheel not then create a pattern created out of these movements. Ever seen certain numbers repeat in a certain session? Why did that happen? Random? My ass, random! Anyhow I do not want to step on toes or mingle in others' business.

All I have to say is that to me Kimo's work is the real deal and the only real deal because it basically incorporates everything to a certain extend. Maybe in a couple of years I will be where I would of liked to be today. I believe that working hard on this eventually will be all worth it.

Cheers
Jakk

[lucky_strike]

Jakkalsdraai did i give you Pierre Basieux Dealer Signature.
If not i can send it to you.

LS

[Jakkalsdraai]

  Hey LS,

I will appreciate that alot mate. All info is more than welcome and very much appreciated! Thanx mate!

Cheers!
Jakk

[Jish]

Whatever I know is not for me to share. It is all Kimo's material and his to share. BTW I'm not claiming in anyway that I know his methods and ways in their full because I don't. Far from it! Just look at Hemi's, Bowties and Nukes. There is your advantage play or part of it. I have noticed that dealers will have a standard speed spinning the ball. They will also have a slow spin to change sectors.

Just by observing a dealer when he spins, you could have an advantage. You know the dealer might have standard spin and might be spinning Bowties with this. His slow spin might be majority Hemi results. Obviously not every standard spin will be a Bowtie and not every slow spin will be a Hemi. But if you have a consistant dealer you will have an advantage. You will have more winners than losers.

So, it is not vb in anyway except for the fact that you are looking for a consistant dealer with maybe 2-3 identifiable variations which could be tied directly to ball movement and therefore dealer signature.

There is offcourse also a helluva lot of other aspects and angles to Kimo's play which he incorporates with each other. So the ball movement is only an aspect of what is a very large picture. Except for the advantage play aspect using physics, in this case ball movement using Hemi, Bowties and Nukes, there are patterns to observe that will give you an edge. This as well is advantage play. Think about it. Someone tells you that past results do not matter..... Holyman tells you that it does and that the wheel does have memory. I agree with HM. Why? Very simple. If Bowties and Hemi's and Nukes occur creating patterns, ie that certain movements are dominant. Why can the wheel not then create a pattern created out of these movements. Ever seen certain numbers repeat in a certain session? Why did that happen? Random? My ass, random! Anyhow I do not want to step on toes or mingle in others' business.

All I have to say is that to me Kimo's work is the real deal and the only real deal because it basically incorporates everything to a certain extend. Maybe in a couple of years I will be where I would of liked to be today. I believe that working hard on this eventually will be all worth it.

Cheers
Jakk

Very well written post Jakkalsdraai in complete agreence

[Jakkalsdraai]

Thanx Jish.

Appreciated mate.

Cheers
Jakk

[Benmaster]

Hi everyone!
I am re-posting this method from a while back. . . here it is:

I would like to share a relatively simple method I came up with that is, of course, based on Kimo's ideas.  Anyway, after reading a page on Kimo's website regarding the charting of "skip and run" patterns of ball movement, a way to simplify all this tracking came to mind.  It is based ENTIRELY on 'dealer signature' -as any effective method should be. 

I notice which of the six 'global pie' sections the ball landed in last, then I look for which section the ball lands in next (O. K. , nothing new here!).  The way I track the ball movement is, I believe, a little more simple and straight-forward. 
On graph paper, I make six columns:

O  -2  -1  S  +1  +2

If two consecutive spins land in the same section, then I put a mark (X) under the "S" column, for "SAME"

If the second spin in any sequence of spins lands in the section to the left (anti-clockwise) of the previous section, I place a mark under "-1", if it lands to the right (clockwise) of the previous section, I mark the "+1" column

Two sections to the left, I mark "-2" , two sections to the right, I mark "+2"

If the ball lands in the opposite section as the last spin, I place an "X" under the "O" column

My apologies to Kimo for not using the terms, HEMI, NUKE, BOWTIE, etc. ! It just seems simpler this way.

Right now, the way I play is to bet that the ball will keep doing the same pattern repeatedly.  I have had good sucess wth this!!!
I only bet six numbers, except when the expected section is next to the Zero(s).  Then I add the Zero to the bet, making it seven numbers.
POSITIVE PROGRESSION! I bet one unit on the expected section, and if it wins, I then bet 2 units the next time, and if I win, bet 3 units on each number. . . etc. , etc.  If the bet loses, I go back to one unit on each number.

So, if two consecutive spins land in the opposite sections, the next spin I will bet the opposite section as the last spin.  If the ball stays in the same pie section as the last spin, I bet the same six-numbered section. 

If the ball moves clockwise on the wheel one section (+1) in two consecutive spins, then I will bet the six numbers to the right of the last pie section to show.

By now, it should be obvious that I am hoping that the dealer's pattern will repeat "back to back".

Here's a short example from last week's play at the Santa Ana Star Casino in New Mexico (double-zero wheel), same dealer.  Please note that I mark Same and Opposite with an "S" and an "O", respectively, instead of an "X".  It seems to add a little more visual clarity to the chart, especially when you are further down the page. 

O  -2  -1  S  +1  +2
              S
          X
                        X
                        X (winner, now bet 2 units on each)
O (lost, back to 1 unit)
                   X
              S
O
    X
                   X
    X
O
O(win)
O(win 2 unit bet)
At this point, there was a change in dealer, so I decided to leave with a 45% profit on my buy-in amount (after tips). 

I'm sure these charts can be read and played in many different ways, for example, in this case, I could have just bet "opposite" every spin, for a good profit, and maybe, for this particular dealer, I would do that in the future. 
Or, perhaps, after a lot of charting of a particular wheel with different dealers, you may find an overwhelming number of +2s.  Maybe that would be the way to play that wheel. 
Or, if the dealer seems to be doing S, O, S, O, you would bet S next.
But for now, I am content to bet that the same pattern will repeat again and again.  It doesn't happen all the time, but so far, from my charting, it happens enough in a session to show an acceptable profit. 

I'm also sure that other betting progressions will work, too, but the one I'm using seems quite safe.  You could parlay a much larger portion of your winnings after each win, perhaps as much as 50% or 100%, which would make the second bet in a winning sequence 3 units or 6 units, respectively.

In places where the direction of the wheel changes from spin to spin, perhaps this strategy could be adapted somehow. . .

I welcome your comments!

Best wishes!
-Ben

[Benmaster]

Further thoughts on Dealer Signature. . .

Here are some actuals from a short stay at the Santa Ana Star Casino yesterday, (which gave me cause to consider further refinements, which I'll discuss afterwards):

O  -2  -1   S  +1  +2
          X
                    X
          X
          X
               S
               S
          X
          X
               S
               S
          X

I was able to increase my buy-in amount by 51% after tips.  This was a pretty short and easy series, but I noticed something that allowed me to do better.  As you can see the ball kept hitting in the same six-numbered section, or the six-numbered section just to the left.  On closer analysis, I watched the ball moving about 3 or 4 spaces to the left with each spin, so what would happen was that if the ball landed to the right extreme of the pie section, then the next spin, it would stay in that section, moving a few spaces to the left.  After that, it would move to the section to the left, changing the pattern from an "S" to a "-1". 

Getting to my point, I'm now considering using numbers 1 through 6, in place of an "X", an "O", or an "S" to mark my charts. 
Since there are 6 numbers in each pie section, I will use the specific "position number" within each pie section to mark each of my six columns, for more precise ball-tracking, whilst still keeping things from getting overly burdensome and too complex.  So, for example, instead of the last three spins being marked S, S and X, they would have been marked with the numbers 5, 1, and 3 in the exact same columns (Same, Same, and -1).

By the end of my last session (in the above example), I was able to 'catch on' and modify my earlier playing style to win the last decision. 
Even though it changed from "Same" to "-1", I was able to anticipate the change, which I hope the new modification to my tracking will help me to do in the future.  I'll keep everyone posted as the results of my subsequent sessions come in. 

Also, it might be interesting to note that this set of spin results were from the same dealer and wheel as the first set I posted earlier in this thread.  It is all too obvious that the pattern this dealer was throwing the other day is completely different than the rhythm that manifested on this particular day.  So much for my theory of assuming that a given dealer will throw the same pattern day after day! The only thing I can say about this dealer is that she tends to fall into a regular rhythm for consecutive spins, which is perfect for this style of play.   

[Steve]

Dealer signature is not exactly a pattern - it's more a cause. Nevertheless, you can incorporate it to get an additional advantage. But be aware there is a dynamic relationship between different types of patterns. For example, if you combine VB and dealer signature, it's not always as simple as excluding the numbers with a negative expectation (negative bias). For a simplistic combination, you can exclude such numbers IF there is "static" correlation - ie if the bias is apparent when we get the same predicted number with other pattern types. Where this is not the case, you need to model the relationship between the variables, which are in part the predictions for each pattern type.

[Steve]

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