Even chances system (variation Steve Morgan)

[Roulette787]

When you're trying with only a selection of 30 pattern vs. the roulette wheel, you're doing a pseudo-random vs. random.

If you need truly random vs. random playing, you can try this.
Bet on the colors you get from an adjacent roulette wheel.
For that to fail, both tables MUST get the exact same offset of colors during 8 spins. (which I think is extremely rare)

I tried this online. Running 2 roulette tables in play mode, back-to-back. Betting on the result (R or B) of one wheel, on the other. The results are much stable than betting on a single color, pattern or zig-zag.

I tried using Martingale and Fibonacci.
Most of the time I won with-in 6 steps. (32 units in marty)

The only issue is dealing with '0' s. Because zeros work as wild cards in casino's advantage. Whenever I hit a zero, it ends up at 64 units. And ALL the losing streaks (going above 128 units) I got was because at least 2 zeros appeared in a wheel with in 8 spins.

This system has a 1/255 change of losing. Martingale doesn't work because when that 1 losing streak comes, it will take away the 255 units you gained. Fibonacci gives better profits, but still it can't avoid losing when 2 or more zeros come-up.

Does someone has a better progression for this system?

[lucky_strike]

If you need truly random vs. random playing, you can try this.

Okay and what should we do?

Bet on the colors you get from an adjacent roulette wheel.  
For that to fail, both tables MUST get the exact same offset of colors during 8 spins. (which I think is extremely rare)

Well i don´t think it would last for 50.000 or 100.000!

I run a test for 93 spins and hit 8 loses in a row using your method.

LWLWLWLWWWWWWLWLLLWWLLWLLWLLLLWLLWWLWLLLWLWWWWLLWLLLLLLLL

I tried using Martingale and Fibonacci.  
Most of the time I won with-in 6 steps. (32 units in marty)

Its is an illusion to think that you have to win at every step using a progression.

The first thing you should do is to start with 111 after that you can progress and increase your bets.
Like 1 1 1 2 3 5 or 1 1 1 2 4 8 because you don´t want to force your self, your BR or the bet selection to gain
a profit. You should let the disperation / consentration of hits to generate a profit.

If we take your ex 6 step then it could look like this, but i don´t recomend it.

Highest placed bet 4 units. Profit 17 units. Bankroll 17 units. Progression 111248.

L 1
W 1
W 1 +1
L 1
L 1
W 1 +0
W 1
W 1
W 1
W 1 +4
L 1
L 1
L 1
W 2 +3
W 1 +4
L 1
L 1
W 1 +3
L 1
W 1
L 1
L 1
L 1
W 2 +2
W 1 +3
L 1
L 1
W 1 +2
L 1
W 1
W 1 +3
L 1
L 1
W 1 +2
W 1
W 1 +4
L 1
W 1
W 1 +5
L 1
L 1
W 1 +4
W 1
W 1
W 1 +7
L 1
W 1
L 1
W 1
L 1
W 1
L 1
W 1
W 1 +8
L 1
L 1
L 1
L 2
W 4 +7
W 1
W 1 +9
L 1
W 1
L 1
W 1
W 1
W 1 +11
L 1
W 1
W 1 +12
L 1
W 1
L 1
W 1
W 1 +13
L 1
L 1
W 1 +12
W 1
W 1 +14
L 1
L 1
W 1 +13
W 1
W 1
W 1 +16
L 1
L 1
L 1
W 2 +15
W 1 +16
L 1
L 1
L 1
L 2
W 4 +15
W 1
W 1 +17


Cheers LS

[hermes]

The LS sample looks like good for Pluscop (Oscar Grind). I tried it long time ago on two neighbors roulettes in casino but the problem was that one was to fast and one too slow. The one came 3 times more often then the other. But that is really true random idea.
Or take a pendulum and pendel the next result - R or B? You cannot be 8 times wrong, I guarantee you. Try it at home online in fun mode.
Predict the next outcome in all EC games (50/50). Actually, when you will practice it often you get better and better results. Practice makes the master. My record is 10 of 10 on R/B but in real game it is different because the psyche and other circumstances speak too.
Hermes.

[hermes]

It reminds me on guy long time ago playing in Germany. He had write down 50 numbers from roulette and went for coffee. After one hour or so he came back and played the 50 numbers (red/black) but I don't know if with or against them; with some funny progression, but the grouchy didn't want to reveal to me. I saw him win a lot on that day.
Hermes

[JLP]

Hi All,

Here is the original ebook complete (Jaque a la Ruleta y al Bingo) of author Ramonas that user Ricardo uploaded on another Forum (the ebook divided in 6 parts).

Link : nolinks://server4.foros.net/viewtopic.php?t=72&mforum=ruletayalgomas

Cheers,
JLP.-

[lucky_strike]

Thanks JLP I would like to read it because I did some translating before with the help of a spell checker that also could translate, but its hard and takes a lot of time 


Cheers Lucky Strike

[JLP]

Thanks JLP I would like to read it because I did some translating before with the help of a spell checker that also could translate, but its hard and takes a lot of time 


Cheers Lucky Strike

Ok. Also if I don´t recall exactly the author talks something about Baccarat (Punto Banco).

Cheers,
JLP.-

[Breeze88]

HI

Nice Thread .. but why is it down? Random Vs. Random is a nice approach of challenge roulette

will do some analyzes related to this also , because i just came up with the same idea later--.. good to see that some others did this aswell


but why is this thread sleeping for such a long time..?


cheerz

[bikemotorman]

Hi folks,

I have not posted in a long time.
But I have used this concept to play craps, the most losses in a row I have had is four.
Lucky said a year ago that this type of play would work well with craps.

I have been doing it this way.

P is for pass, D is for dont pass.

ppp
d
pdd
d
d
d
d
ppp ww
pdd ww


I start playing above I play just what came out I dont reverse or anything like that, craps has far less streaks then roulette.
What do you guys think, I will keep working on it.
I use Fibonacci progression.                 5 10 15 25 40 65

Stuart

[bikemotorman]

Here is some play today.


D
PDP WL
D
D
PDD LW
PDD LW
D
PPD WL
D
D
D
PPD LW
PPP LL
PDD WW
D
PDD
D
PDD

I like the results so far RANDOM AGAINST RANDOM.

STUART

[bikemotorman]

OOps had a loss of 7 in a row yesterday, not good let me see what happens next.

I may have to tweak this a bit.

Stuart

[ikarianman]

OOps had a loss of 7 in a row yesterday, not good let me see what happens next.

I may have to tweak this a bit.

Stuart

and you can see a lot more loses.what if you start betting after 7 "virtual" losses(without bet)?that sould be better you will wait a little more to bet but with  this way you will have the original pattern,then the repeat of pattern makes a total of 14 virtual losses,then you can go and bet much more safe ride from the 15nth spin,against your 7 number pattern for repeating for 3rd time.if you lose then you will have the once in a million event that is 21 losses( but you will have lost only 7 bets), as con-fus-ed says,you dont know when this will come.so its all gambling again as all systems:)

[lucky_strike]

OOps had a loss of 7 in a row yesterday,

What is the big deal with 7 loses when its only a loss of 5 units - 1 1 1 2 3 5 8 - if you use a slow fibo...

I may have to tweak this a bit.

bikemotorman nice to have you around here and I know that you play a littel different then the previos posts - so plz feel free to share with us how you play random against random
Maybe I can help out with some ideas I have...

And if I know you bikemotorman you have been playing this method for a very long time and it has not fail or become due yet

Cheers LS

[lucky_strike]

Here you can go into quote and copy and paste this numbers and show us how you play...

[numbers]
2   1   2
2   1   2
2   2   1
2   2   2
2   1   1
2   1   1
2   1   2
2   2   2
2   2   1
2   1   1
2   2   2
2   1   2
2   1   1
2   2   2
2   2   1
2   1   2
2   2   2
2   2   2
2   1   1
2   2   2
2   1   2
2   2   2
2   1   1
2   2   1
2   2   1
2   1   1
2   1   2
2   1   1
2   2   1
2   2   2
2   1   2
2   2   2
2   1   2
2   1   1
2   2   1
2   2   2
2   2   1
2   2   2
2   2   2
2   1   2
2   1   2
2   2   2
2   2   2
2   1   1
2   2   2
2   2   1
2   2   1
2   2   2
2   1   1
2   2   1
2   2   1
2   1   2
2   1   1
2   2   2
[/numbers]

[bikemotorman]

Hi Lucky,

I hope you are well, you understand that I have messing with craps only.
I guess the 2 is for pass.
And the 1 is for dont pass is this correct.
Since with this method for craps I only wait for two triples.

PDP
PPP
P        HERE I WOULD START PLAYING THE DONT PASS THEN THE PASS NO REVERSE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

REMEMBER CRAPS ONLY, I GAVE UP ON ROULETTE A YEAR AGO LOL.

STUART

[bikemotorman]

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