Inside Number System - Wins within ten spins, Not betting every spin

[RPro75]

Great alterations to your bet selections RPro    Looks like it's going well for you.  I'm going to definitely take a look at how you play more closely once I get through these 1000 spins.  Right now I'm sticking straight with the original, but your way looks like it's going equally as well.  Nice!

Here's spins 186 - 300.  I am using random spins thru RXtreme.  Bets are placed according to the 10 Spins Bet Calc.  First 2 bets want at least 5+ in profit, 3rd bet on will take break even bet.

Won all sessions within 10 spins, +129 units.

Excellent! As I said, the law of the third is a real and proven phenomena.  This system takes advantage of that.  When you reach 24-26 unique numbers in 37 spins, it's a safe bet to bet those unique numbers to repeat.  Some people will say that prior spins have no bearing on what number will come out next.  I, for one, do not believe that and although I cannot prove it to be untrue, I have yet to encounter anyone who can prove it to be so.  Therefore, we are left with many possibilities in our quest to find a consistent winning bet.  I certainly believe we have done that here.  A word on RNG.  I do not think this type of bet would beat RNG simply because a RNG can be programmed to give 30, or 32 unique numbers for every 37 spins and we would have no way of knowing that.  A real wheel, however, is proven over the course of 1000's of spins to produce on average 22-28 unique numbers per 38 spins.    This may be one of the few exploitable facts of this game.  I would also like to touch on another point.  There is heated debate going on as to whether or not casino personnel monitor these boards.  At the risk of sounding paranoid, I for one believe they do and when they see a dangerous bet like the one we have here, I also believe they will try and discredit it.  Keep up the great work guys, it's a true pleasure to see great minds work together like this in the spirit of helping and giving.

[Jakkalsdraai]

Well, for me Herb,

It's Numerology that shows us why a number should hit! Then again you should know that .... you are a Numerology moderator......not true?         

[RPro75]

I must remind the forum that Victor has started a "Naysayers Lounge" for those who wish to challenge the information in a thread and we encourage and welcome open debate.  It is your right to challenge any information in a thread, but we ask that you start a topic in the Naysayers Lounge so as not to interrupt the fluidity of the thread as others are continue to work in it.  Thank you all.

[Herb]

am tring to see how much differently I have been playing the stsrem as compared to RJ's PDF describing it.  Some things are different, such as where and when I bet, but the concept is generally the same.  I have to say as far as systems go, this one is better than any system that is being sold for upwards of $50 or more.  I just want to say how proud it makes me feel to see how we have all worked together to make this system something great.  We have all collaborated and brainstormed together and look what we have done.  This forum and its members is the BEST roulette website on the net right now.  Nobody else even comes close!!  This is the way to the answer, I can feel it in my tired and burnt out mind!!!   Keep up the great work everyone! 

I'll ask this question again:

What makes you belief that a specific number is more likely to hit than any other number?

It's important for members to ask questions about systems.  So I have moved this post back where it belongs.

-Herb

[RPro75]

   

I'll ask this question again:

What makes you belief that a specific number is more likely to hit than any other number?

It's important for members to ask questions about systems.  So I have moved this post back where it belongs.

-Herb

Herb, what makes you believe that it won't when the law of the third has been proven time and time over?  Also, the question you are asking has nothing to do with the post you quoted.  This system has nothing to do with believing that a certain number will hit over another number, it has to do with the fact that once you get 24 unique numbers within 37 spins, the chances of one of those unique numbers repeating within the next 3 spins is as about as sure a bet as you can make in roulette.  Therefore, I believe that this post belongs in the Naysayers Lounge as it does not beg a valid question of this system but only appears to disrupt and discourage.

[Herb]

Herb, what makes you believe that it won't?

Probability.  Since random roulette is a game of independent trials, why should your observations reduce or increase the chances of the other numbers hitting on the future spins?

The answer is: They don't.

-Herb

[Poit]

It would be misleading to not have questions and answers regarding the system in the same thread. People would get annoyed to be asking a question in their mind that's already been answered for example. Also if people have not thought about a particular way of looking at it (important) they would see it if it was all contained in the same thread. After all, it is all on topic, regarding the system, so any and all questions regarding the system should be here. Regardless of whether or not you like it.

[Herb]

I agree.

[Herb]

Why should observing a number that hasn't hit or observing a number that has hit make it more or less likely to hit on future spins?  What is the observation doing to effect the future outcomes?

This is a tough question that people should ask.

Regards,

Herb

The following should also help you out.

Here is it is, the new quack meter.  In recent months, the number of quacks on the board has gone up very quickly.  Some of these quacks are regular people that just make an occasional outlandish claim.  Others are people like James Wendall that are completely out of touch with reality. 

How do we determine if a poster is worth reading, or whether it's delusional gibberish by someone that is a real quack?

Well, here's the solution to the problem.  It's the QuAcK meter.  Delusional posters like James, whom we all agree is a bonified quack, use certain key phrases and words that immediately demonstrate to everyone that they are a certified quack.  By using a point system for these key words and phrases, we can rate the quack level of each thread and post the results at the front of each thread.  If each thread on the forum has a quack rating that we can immediately view, then it will greatly reduce the time required to find the more interesting posts.

Below is the new point system.  Please feel free to add on to it as you recognize the words that quacks use.

1. The poster can't form a sentence, but claims to be smarter than Einstein. 10000 points.
2. The poster claims to be smarter than Einstein:  5000 points. 
3. The poster claims that ordinary math doesn't apply to their system.  500 points
4. The poster substitutes other letters to represent either R for red or B for black.  For example, they may use H, M, L, or W...So far, I've seen several examples.  200 points.
5. The poster claims that they use numerology to win regularly. 500 points.
6. The poster claims that ancient monks invented roulette, not Pascal.  500 points.
7. The poster claims to have made millions using their secret system based on the law of the third. 500 points.
8. The poster claims to beat lotteries, horses, and all casino games with their system. 300 points.
9. The poster claims his system can't be tested by a computer, but Two Cat Sam shows it to work. 200 points.
10. The poster claims that there's a bet that wins consistently. 200 points.
11. The poster believes the "holy grail for roulette" will be discovered any day now!  100 points.
12. The poster claims to find patterns in randomness. 100 points.
13. The poster claims to surf the dispersion of hits in randomness. 100 points.
14. The poster claims to donate most of his winnings to children's charities.  200 points.
15. The poster offers hints in his avatar.  500 points.
16. The poster talks about himself in a daily diary. (Yes, like James for example.)  300 points.
17. The poster claims that there is a secret flaw in the layout of the roulette wheel that can be exploited.  500 points.
18. The poster claims to win $50 or more a day by just using gaming discipline and money management.  200 points.
19. The poster claims to win every time he plays. 500 points.
20. The poster claims to have a successful system that enables them to win on the outside in the long run.  200 points.
21. The poster claims that there is a consistent winning bet in roulette. 300 points.
22. The poster thinks that you can win if you can find "just the right progression." 100 points.
23. The poster thinks that the "hemi" or "bow tie" is a long term winner.  100 points.
24.  The poster claims to win in the long term by making educated guesses. 400 points.
25. The poster claims to make educated guesses that are correct more than 50% of the time. 300 points.
26. The poster keeps an online journal of his betting results on the outside bets. 100 points.
27. The poster has either the family dog or cat as an avatar. 200 points.
28. The poster has an Animee figure as an avatar. 200 points.
29. The poster refers to educated people as "Math Boys." 200 points.
30. The poster claims to have developed a long term winning system. 200 points.
31. You believe "Win With Math" is real. 500 points.
32. Someone is going to find and post the "Holy Grail" any day now. 200 points.
33. You belong to a numerology study group. 200 points.
34.  The poster claims that using his method that, "It's harder to not to hit the lottery then hitting it.  Yes my method in fact it's not even possible to lose."    10,000 points.
35.  The poster believes Dysexlic's, or Murph's  posts. 100 points.



Ratings:

If you score:

Over 2000 points: You're James Wendall.  You should be in a straight jacket.  You belong in an institution.  You believe in gov. conspiracies.  You're heavily medicated and drift in and out of reality.  You're blissfully ignorant and blowing spit bubbles.

1000 points or more: You're definitely a big quack.  Chances are, you believe in gov. conspiracy theories as well.  You should not be allowed to handle money.  Other people should administer your medications.  Someone else should manage your daily affairs and finances.  You're blissfully ignorant and blowing spit bubbles.

700 points or more: You're a big quack.  You might believe in gov. conspiracies.  You probably should be medicated.  You should only be allowed to hold small amounts of money at any given time.  Someone other than you should manage your finances.  You're ignorant and sometimes blow spit bubbles.
 
400 points or more..  You're probably a quack.  You might believe in gov. conspiracies.  You should have your wife or another family member provide you with a limited weekly allowance.  Also, tell your wife to hide the checkbook if you're married. 

300 points or more..  You might be a quack.  You might just be ignorant.  Either way, stay out of the casino, unless you go with a close family member that can monitor your gambling activities.

200 points or more.. You could be a quack.  You might just be ignorant.  Read more information about probability and the mathematics of gambling before going to the casino.

Listed above is just a partial list.  I'll add more to the list as I find time.  Please feel free to add your own suggestions, unless your a quack.

-Herb 

[dvdmaster]

Hi Rpro75,

I have been following this thread for some time and find the way Rpro75 is very good and thanks for the spreadsheet which is great to keep track of the numbers.

Can you please let me know why we don't bet when bet count between 17-21? 

"3.   When your bet count is 17-21 you do not bet. "

Regards
Dvdmaster

[RPro75]

Anyway, back to the heart of the thread and what we are here for and that is testing and researching.  This is my third go with the tracker and still going strong.  I think the relationship between the bet count and deciding where to bet is most important.  If the bet count is low, it means there have been more unique numbers out in less spins so therefore you are more likely to hit a repeater.  If the bet count is high, it means that the spin count is higher in relationship to the unique numbers that have appeared so you are more likely to get an unhit.  I just need to get the correlation of those numbers right and this is some powerful stuff.  I am using actuals from Weisbaden and also, I always include the tracker so you can see the bet count, etc.


Spin Number Type   Bet Unit Win Loss Net Unit Bal. Bet Layout                                                           
  0                                         400                                                                         
  1    24   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                         
  2     5   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                         
  3    29   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                         
  4     7   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                         
  5    15   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                         
  6    32   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                         
  7    22   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                         
  8     3   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                         
  9    21   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                         
10    31   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                         
11     4   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                         
12     9   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                         
13    18   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                         
14     7   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                         
15     2   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                         
16    19   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                         
17     4   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                         
18    35   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                         
19    10   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                         
20    11   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                         
21    21   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                         
22    24   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                         
23    35   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                         
24     8   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                         
25     9   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                         
26    29   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                         
27    13   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                         
28    15   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                         
29    18   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                         
30    28   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                         
31    27   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                         
32     8   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                         
33    17   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                         
34    25   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                         
35    36   Bet       24     0   -24 -24    376    1 : 2,3,4,5,7,8,9,10,11,13,15,17,18,19,21,22,24,25,27,28,29,31,32,35
36    36   Bet       75    108  -75  33    409    3 : 2,3,4,5,7,8,9,10,11,13,15,17,18,19,21,22,24,25,27,28,29,31,32,35
3 : 36
37    14   Bet       25     0   -25 -25    384    1 : 2,3,4,5,7,8,9,10,11,13,15,17,18,19,21,22,24,25,27,28,29,31,32,35
1 : 36
38    28   Bet       76    108  -76  32    416    3 : 2,3,4,5,7,8,9,10,11,13,14,15,17,18,19,21,22,24,25,27,28,29,31,32,35
3 : 36
39    14   Bet       26     36  -26  10    426    1 : 2,3,4,5,7,8,9,10,11,13,14,15,17,18,19,21,22,24,25,27,28,29,31,32
1 : 35,36
40     5   Bet       26     36  -26  10    436    1 : 2,3,4,5,7,8,9,10,11,13,14,15,17,18,19,21,22,24,25,27,28,29,31,32
1 : 35,36
41    11   Bet       26     36  -26  10    446    1 : 2,3,4,5,7,8,9,10,11,13,14,15,17,18,19,21,22,24,25,27,28,29,31,32
1 : 35,36
42     6   Bet       26     0   -26 -26    420    1 : 2,3,4,5,7,8,9,10,11,13,14,15,17,18,19,21,22,24,25,27,28,29,31,32
1 : 35,36
43     3   Bet       81    108  -81  27    447    3 : 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,13,14,15,17,18,19,21,22,24,25,27,28,29,31
3 : 32,35,36
44    23   No Bet     0     0    0   0     447                                                                         
45    15   No Bet     0     0    0   0     447                                                                         
46    36   No Bet     0     0    0   0     447                                                                         
47    27   No Bet     0     0    0   0     447                                                                         
48     9   No Bet     0     0    0   0     447                                                                         
49     1   No Bet     0     0    0   0     447                                                                         
50     4   No Bet     0     0    0   0     447                                                                         
51    31   No Bet     0     0    0   0     447                                                                         
52     1   Bet        8     0   -8   -8    439    1 : 12,16,20,26,30,33,34,0                                           
53     5   Bet        8     0   -8   -8    431    1 : 12,16,20,26,30,33,34,0                                           
54     3   Bet       16     0   -16 -16    415    2 : 12,16,20,26,30,33,34,0                                           
55    11   Bet       16     0   -16 -16    399    2 : 12,16,20,26,30,33,34,0                                           
56    27   Bet       24     0   -24 -24    375    3 : 12,16,20,26,30,33,34,0                                           
57    33   Bet       32    144  -32 112    487    4 : 12,16,20,26,30,33,34,0                                           

+87 units in 57 spins

[RPro75]

Hi Rpro75,

I have been following this thread for some time and find the way Rpro75 is very good and thanks for the spreadsheet which is great to keep track of the numbers.

Can you please let me know why we don't bet when bet count between 17-21? 

"3.   When your bet count is 17-21 you do not bet. "

Regards
Dvdmaster

It is more a less a failsafe because it seems the higher the bet count gets, the more chance you have of hitting an unhit number.  Therefore, by letting the bet count raise to 22, you are basically eliminating bets that you would have probably made and lost.  If you look closely at the tests, you'll see what I mean.

[Herb]

If the bet count is low, it means there have been more unique numbers out in less spins so therefore you are more likely to hit a repeater.  If the bet count is high, it means that the spin count is higher in relationship to the unique numbers that have appeared so you are more likely to get an unhit.

You are implying that numbers are due to hit because they haven't hit.  Isn't this straight up gambler's fallacy? (As described on Wikipedia and other Encyclopedias.)

If not, then why not?

[RPro75]

Probability.  Since random roulette is a game of independent trials, why should your observations reduce or increase the chances of the other numbers hitting on the future spins?

The answer is: They don't.

-Herb

Again, you are totally missing the concept.  The law of the third exists, that's fact.  It's not about individual numbers, it's about the 37 number wheel as a whole.  Lateral thinking is necessary here.  Herb, you state a lot of opinion, but very rarely do you back any of it up with proof.  No offense intended.  I think you should try to think outside of the box a little more.

[Herb]

The law of the third is an observation, like the "law of 1-37".

Simply observing it doesn't make a number more or less likely to hit. 

Here is it is, the new quack meter.  In recent months, the number of quacks on the board has gone up very quickly.  Some of these quacks are regular people that just make an occasional outlandish claim.  Others are people like James Wendall that are completely out of touch with reality. 

How do we determine if a poster is worth reading, or whether it's delusional gibberish by someone that is a real quack?

Well, here's the solution to the problem.  It's the QuAcK meter.  Delusional posters like James, whom we all agree is a bonified quack, use certain key phrases and words that immediately demonstrate to everyone that they are a certified quack.  By using a point system for these key words and phrases, we can rate the quack level of each thread and post the results at the front of each thread.  If each thread on the forum has a quack rating that we can immediately view, then it will greatly reduce the time required to find the more interesting posts.

Below is the new point system.  Please feel free to add on to it as you recognize the words that quacks use.

1. The poster can't form a sentence, but claims to be smarter than Einstein. 10000 points.
2. The poster claims to be smarter than Einstein:  5000 points. 
3. The poster claims that ordinary math doesn't apply to their system.  500 points
4. The poster substitutes other letters to represent either R for red or B for black.  For example, they may use H, M, L, or W...So far, I've seen several examples.  200 points.
5. The poster claims that they use numerology to win regularly. 500 points.
6. The poster claims that ancient monks invented roulette, not Pascal.  500 points.
7. The poster claims to have made millions using their secret system based on the law of the third. 500 points.
8. The poster claims to beat lotteries, horses, and all casino games with their system. 300 points.
9. The poster claims his system can't be tested by a computer, but Two Cat Sam shows it to work. 200 points.
10. The poster claims that there's a bet that wins consistently. 200 points.
11. The poster believes the "holy grail for roulette" will be discovered any day now!  100 points.
12. The poster claims to find patterns in randomness. 100 points.
13. The poster claims to surf the dispersion of hits in randomness. 100 points.
14. The poster claims to donate most of his winnings to children's charities.  200 points.
15. The poster offers hints in his avatar.  500 points.
16. The poster talks about himself in a daily diary. (Yes, like James for example.)  300 points.
17. The poster claims that there is a secret flaw in the layout of the roulette wheel that can be exploited.  500 points.
18. The poster claims to win $50 or more a day by just using gaming discipline and money management.  200 points.
19. The poster claims to win every time he plays. 500 points.
20. The poster claims to have a successful system that enables them to win on the outside in the long run.  200 points.
21. The poster claims that there is a consistent winning bet in roulette. 300 points.
22. The poster thinks that you can win if you can find "just the right progression." 100 points.
23. The poster thinks that the "hemi" or "bow tie" is a long term winner.  100 points.
24.  The poster claims to win in the long term by making educated guesses. 400 points.
25. The poster claims to make educated guesses that are correct more than 50% of the time. 300 points.
26. The poster keeps an online journal of his betting results on the outside bets. 100 points.
27. The poster has either the family dog or cat as an avatar. 200 points.
28. The poster has an Animee figure as an avatar. 200 points.
29. The poster refers to educated people as "Math Boys." 200 points.
30. The poster claims to have developed a long term winning system. 200 points.
31. You believe "Win With Math" is real. 500 points.
32. Someone is going to find and post the "Holy Grail" any day now. 200 points.
33. You belong to a numerology study group. 200 points.
34.  The poster claims that using his method that, "It's harder to not to hit the lottery then hitting it.  Yes my method in fact it's not even possible to lose."    10,000 points.
35.  The poster believes Dysexlic's, or Murph's  posts. 100 points.



Ratings:

If you score:

Over 2000 points: You're James Wendall.  You should be in a straight jacket.  You belong in an institution.  You believe in gov. conspiracies.  You're heavily medicated and drift in and out of reality.  You're blissfully ignorant and blowing spit bubbles.

1000 points or more: You're definitely a big quack.  Chances are, you believe in gov. conspiracy theories as well.  You should not be allowed to handle money.  Other people should administer your medications.  Someone else should manage your daily affairs and finances.  You're blissfully ignorant and blowing spit bubbles.

700 points or more: You're a big quack.  You might believe in gov. conspiracies.  You probably should be medicated.  You should only be allowed to hold small amounts of money at any given time.  Someone other than you should manage your finances.  You're ignorant and sometimes blow spit bubbles.
 
400 points or more..  You're probably a quack.  You might believe in gov. conspiracies.  You should have your wife or another family member provide you with a limited weekly allowance.  Also, tell your wife to hide the checkbook if you're married. 

300 points or more..  You might be a quack.  You might just be ignorant.  Either way, stay out of the casino, unless you go with a close family member that can monitor your gambling activities.

200 points or more.. You could be a quack.  You might just be ignorant.  Read more information about probability and the mathematics of gambling before going to the casino.

Listed above is just a partial list.  I'll add more to the list as I find time.  Please feel free to add your own suggestions, unless your a quack.

-Herb 

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