Inside Number System - Wins within ten spins, Not betting every spin

[simon]

Excellent number tracker RPro!!  This is definitely the way to record the spins because you can quickly see which numbers to bet and they are in numerical order which will greatly help in getting the bets down.  I love the way the spreadsheet keeps track of the spins and unique numbers, and I guess we can adopt this for playing at a b&m casino as well (?)  I would think so because by entering the spin number under the roulette numbers we will know where we are in the spin count, and we can also see how many repeats have hit and if we are going to get the 17 numbers within 20 spins (or not-- so start tracking again.)  I can see making a chart with the same thing every 5 rows and then you would start over again with a new spin count, etc, or is there some way of continuing the tracking so that if you don't get your 17 numbers in 20 spins, you can continue tracking till you can see that you do have the 17 numbers in 20 spins?  This is where I get confused, how to manually chart (at a b&m casino) to identify the 17 numbers anywhere within the spin cycle/session you are at, without starting all over again at spin one.  And I will be able to test my 450 spins much more thoroughly if I can do this, by testing starting at any and every entry point within my six sets of 75 continuous spins.

[rjeaton1]

Spin   Number   Type   Bet Unit   Win   Loss   Net   Unit Bal.    Bet Layout
0                     500   
1   36   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
2   27   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
3   26   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
4   35   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
5   7   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
6   12   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
7   22   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
8   4   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
9   26   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
10   6   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
11   21   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
12   12   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
13   26   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
14   13   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
15   13   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
16   7   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
17   0   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
18   32   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
19   6   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
20   9   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
21   28   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
22   31   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
23   1   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
24   1   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
25   14   Bet   17   0   -17   -17   483   1 : 1,4,6,7,9,12,13,21,22,26,27,28,31,32,35,36,0
26   1   No Bet   0   0   0   0   483   
27   10   Bet   36   0   -36   -36   447   2 : 1,4,6,7,9,12,13,14,21,22,26,27,28,31,32,35,36,0
28   33   No Bet   0   0   0   0   447   
29   19   No Bet   0   0   0   0   447   
30   36   No Bet   0   0   0   0   447   
31   34   Bet   84   0   -84   -84   363   4 : 1,4,6,7,9,10,12,13,14,19,21,22,26,27,28,31,32,33,35,36,0


Hi rjeaton,

Here is the result of my first session but maybe I was wrong with your system and/or the betting.

Thanks for giving me your point of view.

Cheers

Hey there Loufran, you're almost there, but not quite.  I'll go through the spins you posted and show how to play it (and why).

Spin   Number
0   
1   36 - 1 different number
2   27 - 2 different numbers
3   26 - 3 different numbers
4   35 - 4 different numbers
5   7 - 5 different numbers
6   12 - 6 different numbers
7   22 - 7 different numbers
8   4 - 8 different numbers
9   26 - 8 different numbers (eight has repeated itself once in the last 20 spins)
10   6 - 9 different numbers
11   21 - 10 different numbers
12   12 - 10 different numbers (12 has repeated itself once in the last 20 spins)
13   26 - still only 10 different numbers (26 has now appeared 3 times in the last 20 spins)
14   13 - 11 different numbers
15   13 - 11 different numbers (13 has repeated itself once in the last 20 spins...at this point we should all know that when we get to spin twenty we won't be able to place a bet.  The reason for that is because the largest amount of different numbers we can have at spin 20 now is 16...not enough)

16   7 - 11 different numbers (7 has now repeated itself once in the last 20 spins)
17   0 - 12 different numbers
18   32 - 13 different numbers
19   6 - 13 different numbers (6 has now appeared twice in the last 20 spins)

20   9 - 14 different numbers in the last twenty spins.  Not enough for a bet trigger.  So we're going to hit spin and drop spin number one from the numbers tracked and and spin 21.  (I.E. - only tracking the last 20 spins)

21   28 - 14 different numbers in the last twenty spins (36 comes off because it was spin number 1, and we add number 28 to the list)
22   31 - 14 different numbers in the last twenty spins (now 27 came off because it was spin number 2)

23   1 - 15 different numbers have appeared now.  The reason is SPIN # 3 was 26, we now remove that from the list and add spin number 23.  Now in the last twenty spins the number 26 has still appeared twice.  So have 6, 13, 7, 12.  That's 20 spins, minus 5 doubles=15 different numbers.  So there would still be no bets placed!

24   1 - 14 different numbers!!!! Our different numbers count actually drops here because "spin number 4" was removed which was number 35 and then we add "spin 24" which was 1...another repeating number.  So now in the last twenty spins we have these numbers doubling:  6,13,7,12,26,1.  Last 20 spins minus 6 for the doubles = 14 different numbers.   Still no bets are placed!!!!!!

25   14 - 15 different numbers in the last twenty spins (alright, now "spin 5" was taken off which was the number 7 and we add "spin 25" which is the number 14.  The number 7 was a double before we removed spin number 5.  So the number 7 goes down to being a single, and we added the number fourteen So we now have 15 different numbers in 20 spins.  6,13,12,26,1 have all appeared two times, and 10 numbers have appeared once = 15 numbers.

26   1- 15 different numbers in the last twenty spins. (now 6,13,26,1 have appeared twice, 1 has appeared three times, and 10 numbers appeared once.........................still no bets placed!!!!!!!!!!)

27   10 - 15 different numbers in 20 spins (I'll stop with the long explanations now, I think everybody should get it now)
28   33 - 15 different numbers in 20 spins
29   19 - 16 different numbers in 20 spins
30   36 - 17 different numbers in 20 spins (You still don't place any bets because now you have to wait for a bet trigger, which is anytime a number doubles, triples, quadruples, etc.)

31   34 - 17 different numbers in 21 SPINS.  It is now 21 spins because we hit the first thing we were looking for (17 different numbers in 20 spins)  Now that we had that on spin twenty, we just add any following spins to the list.  Spin 31 is actually the first time bets should be placed in this scenario.  I can't see if it wins or not because I wasn't given the spins that came after it.  But I hope this explanation clears everything up.

[celiza427]

I did finally make it to 31 spins...but I won so it's still all good.  I did lose -8 units on that spin b/c I did not have enough chips to cover the progression (just another indicator that BR should be a little higher, I started at 200 and was around 320 at the start of the betting cycle.)  I continued my session from last night.  This is from spin 110 on...if anyone would like I will continue this one session in RXtreme until I hit 1000 spins total.

Spin 110 - 185 = +61 units

I simply cannot get the table function down to where the columns are spaced correctly so here's a txt file of the spins.

[simon]

Robert can you explain how to adopt RPro's excellent tracker for manually adding and removing spins to the cycle we are following at the b&m casino?  In this example we have tracked 20 spins and have 15 different numbers.  I'm not exactly sure how we keep adding entries till we find 17 different numbers within 20 spins.  It is probably pretty simple but I can be pretty dense sometimes.  You can make up any numbers to follow what has come out, to show as an example how we do this at the b&m casino with our system chart we will be bringing.  thanx!!

[rjeaton1]

I think I have got this down now.  Here is my first real test where I feel I played everything right.  It works great.  I am really excited because this system is definitely a consistent moneymaker and may just be the best system out there. I played until Spin 36, and I got 5 bets in, 3 of which I won.  At this point, I think all I had to do was back out the first 16 spins from the tracker (leaving the last 20) and wait for 17 or more unique numbers again.  I think I could have kept on winning.

Spin Number Type   Bet Unit Win Loss Net Unit Bal. Bet Layout                                                   
  0                                         400                                                                 
  1    22   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                 
  2    23   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                 
  3    34   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                 
  4    32   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                 
  5    34   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                 
  6     6   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                 
  7    24   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                 
  8    31   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                 
  9     5   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                 
10    24   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                 
11    31   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                 
12    13   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                 
13     6   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                 
14     4   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                 
15     6   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                 
16     8   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                 
17    17   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                 
18    17   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                 
19     0   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                 
20    16   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                 
21    29   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                 
22    35   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                 
23    17   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                 
24    17   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                 
25    15   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                 
26     3   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                 
27     8   No Bet     0     0    0   0     400                                                                 
28    25   Bet       18     0   -18 -18    382    1 : 3,4,5,6,8,13,15,16,17,22,23,24,29,31,32,34,35,0         
29    32   No Bet     0     0    0   0     382                                                                 
30     8   Bet       38     72  -38  34    416    2 : 3,4,5,6,8,13,15,16,17,22,23,24,25,29,31,32,34,35,0       
31     0   No Bet     0     0    0   0     416                                                                 
32    33   Bet       19     0   -19 -19    397    1 : 3,4,5,6,8,13,15,16,17,22,23,24,25,29,31,32,34,35,0       
33    32   No Bet     0     0    0   0     397                                                                 
34    13   Bet       40     72  -40  32    429    2 : 3,4,5,6,8,13,15,16,17,22,23,24,25,29,31,32,33,34,35,0   
35    28   No Bet     0     0    0   0     429                                                                 
36    35   Bet       21     36  -21  15    444    1 : 3,4,5,6,8,13,15,16,17,22,23,24,25,28,29,31,32,33,34,35,0

+44 units profit in 36 spins - Excellent

Excellent, thanks for testing and then taking the time to post your results Rpro!!  The only thing is, this is how I would have played the system with those spins...or should say not played those spins (your results are obviously better as you would make a profit with those 36 spins and I would not have bet at all, but I just don't want you to get burned later on...unless you've discovered something better that is!):

Spin   Number   
0                        
1   22 - 1 different number (the amount of different numbers always refers to "within the last twenty spins" unless otherwise stated)
2   23 - 2 different numbers
3   34 - 3 different numbers   
4   32 - 4 different numbers   
5   34 - 4 different numbers (22,23,32 appeared once and 34 appeared twice)
6   6 - 5 different numbers
7   24 - 6 different numbers
8   21 - 7 different numbers
9   5 - 8 different numbers
10   24 - 8 different numbers (32,21,6,23,5,22 appeared once and 34,24 each appeared twice)
11   31 - 9 different numbers   
12   13 - 10 different numbers
13   6 - 10 different numbers (32,21,13,23,5,31,22 each appeared once  and 34,6,24 each appeared twice)
14   4 - 11 different numbers
15   6 - 11 different numbers (32,4,21,13,23,5,31,22 each appeared once 34,24 each appeared twice, and 6 appeared 3 times)
16   8 - 12 different numbers
17   17 - 13 different numbers
18   17 - 13 different numbers
19   0 - 14 different numbers
20   16 - 15 different numbers  (no bets can be placed until within the last 20 spins there are 17 or more different numbers that appeared.  And we don't track past 20 spins unless there were 17 or more different numbers within 20 spins either.)

21   29 - 15 different numbers (within the last 20 spins remember.  So spin 1 came off and we add spin 21)
22   35 - 15 different numbers
23   17 - 15 different numbers
24   17 - 14 different numbers
25   15 - 14 different numbers (within the last 20 spins still.  so now spins 1 through 5 came off and we've added 21 through 25 one spin at a time)
26   3 - 15 different numbers
27   8 - 15 different numbers
28   25 - 15 different numbers
29   32 - 15 different numbers
30   8 - 14 different numbers
31   0 - 13 different numbers
32   33 - 13 different numbers      
33   32 - 13 different numbers   
34   13 - 13 different numbers      
35   28 - 13 different numbers      
36   35 - 13 different numbers

So as you can see (hopefully I explained it well enough) bets never would have been placed with these spins.  We never could track more than 20 spins because we never had 17 or more different numbers within 20 spins.

Because we never had 17 or more different numbers within 20 spins, we also weren't ever to place any bets.  Just wanted to give you a heads up.  And thanks again for taking the time to test this out, make a tracker, and just generally be a good contributor.  Keep it up!

[rjeaton1]

Robert can you explain how to adopt RPro's excellent tracker for manually adding and removing spins to the cycle we are following at the b&m casino?  In this example we have tracked 20 spins and have 15 different numbers.  I'm not exactly sure how we keep adding entries till we find 17 different numbers within 20 spins.  It is probably pretty simple but I can be pretty dense sometimes.  You can make up any numbers to follow what has come out, to show as an example how we do this at the b&m casino with our system chart we will be bringing.  thanx!!

I have attached the same tracker you uploaded but acted as if the following spins came out on spin 21, 22, 23 and made changes to the chart accordingly:

Spin 21 - 0 (removed spin 1 from chart, added spin 21)
Spin 22 - 00 (removed spin 2 from chart, added spin 22)
Spin 23 - 19 (removed spin 3 from chart, added spin 23)

What you're left with is 17 different numbers in 20 spins and you're ready to go ahead and continue tracking past 20 spins and waiting for a bet trigger!

[simon]

actually in regards to my question before anyone takes the time to answer I think I see how to do it...  we continue adding the count underneath the roulette numbers and just cross off the beginning count numbers, so you add spin 21 under the appropriate number and cross off spin 1 under the number it's under, and just continue in this way, so with simple subtraction if you're up to like say spin 27 you have been crossing off spins 1-7 so you know you have a 20 spin cycle and can easily see how many roulette different roulette numbers have been tagged with the spin count... yeah I knew it was easy... I was just being dense...

[simon]

right, but you can't replace the numbers on your chart at the casino like you can on a spreadsheet, so I would just cross them off as necessary and add them as necessary vertically under the roulette numbers.

[rjeaton1]

right, but you can't replace the numbers on your chart at the casino like you can on a spreadsheet, so I would just cross them off as necessary and add them as necessary vertically under the roulette numbers.

Ahhh, I see (now I was being dense  )  But yes, your explanation sounds perfect for anybody would like to take this into a casino with them.

In the past when I've gone into casino's I've always had the thought process that I would get kicked out if I used a pen and paper.  Do they really not mind you using a pen and paper to track spins?

[rjeaton1]

I did finally make it to 31 spins...but I won so it's still all good.  I did lose -8 units on that spin b/c I did not have enough chips to cover the progression (just another indicator that BR should be a little higher, I started at 200 and was around 320 at the start of the betting cycle.)  I continued my session from last night.  This is from spin 110 on...if anyone would like I will continue this one session in RXtreme until I hit 1000 spins total.

Spin 110 - 185 = +61 units

I simply cannot get the table function down to where the columns are spaced correctly so here's a txt file of the spins.

Thanks again for your input, testing and posting Celiza, it really helps to see where this is going (as I can only do so many spins myself manually).  I'm thrilled with your results!  And I know I for one would love to see you go to 1000 spins but don't do that just for me, if you enjoy playing the system then by all means.  If not, there are tons of testers here.

I'm getting really close to having this coded for RXtreme now as it really looks as though this is a highly lucrative system.

[simon]

In the past when I've gone into casino's I've always had the thought process that I would get kicked out if I used a pen and paper.  Do they really not mind you using a pen and paper to track spins?

.... absolutely not, I've been doing it for many years, they have no problem with it at all.  As long as your materials are not getting in the way of anyone, they WELCOME system players.  I have countless times before even sitting at a table stood watching marquees, taking notes, knowing full well the eye in the sky is watching me, and sat at the table with system notes, knowing the eye in the sky might well be zooming in right on me and my notes.  they really don't give a f***, believe me.  At least not where I play at Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun in CT. 

[celiza427]

Hey, not a burden at all.  I'm there with you wanting this to work and so far it has (not to say it won't lose, I'd just like to see when, how, and how often)  I'll definitely take this to 1000 but it'll probably take me a week.  I work from 12 to 9 and only have moderate time in the morning...I've got a busy 2 year old that craves attention lol.

I think I've got the system down really well using RXtreme but you're right, having RX, bet calc, and a casino open at one can be a bit much...I'll see if I can get a handle on that spreadsheet RPro made, add the calc to that and only have the xls and casino to mess with.

[simon]

and ofcourse when you play mini-bac which I also like, EVERYONE has pen and paper.  In fact at the roulette tables in CT they will GIVE you pen and paper and WHEEL CHARTS if you ask for them, to make it easy for you to track sleepers and hot numbers, etc.  In fact now the marquees there SHOW you ELECTRONICALLY what the hot numbers are, what dozens they hit in, etc, etc.  They ENCOURAGE you to make any kind of bets you want, for ANY REASON.  They are not worried about you and your system.

[boatran8]

Hi again RJ!

Here is the last test I made.  .  .   I tried to perfect my playing but this time don't know what's going on!! I stopped because my 500 units bankroll would have burst.  .  . 

Spin   Number   Type   Bet Unit   Win   Loss   Net   Unit Bal.     Bet Layout
0                     500   
1   29   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
2   6   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
3   30   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
4   3   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
5   27   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
6   24   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
7   12   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
8   35   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
9   10   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
10   15   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
11   32   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
12   1   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
13   1   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
14   9   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
15   16   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
16   19   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
17   21   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
18   23   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
19   10   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
20   22   No Bet   0   0   0   0   500   
21   13   Bet   18   0   -18   -18   482   1 : 1,3,6,9,10,12,15,16,19,21,22,23,24,27,29,30,32,35
22   33   No Bet   0   0   0   0   482   
23   9   No Bet   0   0   0   0   482   
24   2   Bet   40   0   -40   -40   442   2 : 1,3,6,9,10,12,13,15,16,19,21,22,23,24,27,29,30,32,33,35
25   21   No Bet   0   0   0   0   442   
26   34   Bet   84   0   -84   -84   358   4 : 1,2,3,6,9,10,12,13,15,16,19,21,22,23,24,27,29,30,32,33,35
27   18   No Bet   0   0   0   0   358   
28   14   No Bet   0   0   0   0   358   
29   11   No Bet   0   0   0   0   358   
30   29   No Bet   0   0   0   0   358   
31   20   Bet   200   0   -200   -200   158   8 : 1,2,3,6,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,18,19,21,22,23,24,27,29,30,32,33,348 : 35

I think I was wrong again. . . .  as everyone performs with it!!! But where ??

Cheers

[RPro75]

actually in regards to my question before anyone takes the time to answer I think I see how to do it...  we continue adding the count underneath the roulette numbers and just cross off the beginning count numbers, so you add spin 21 under the appropriate number and cross off spin 1 under the number it's under, and just continue in this way, so with simple subtraction if you're up to like say spin 27 you have been crossing off spins 1-7 so you know you have a 20 spin cycle and can easily see how many roulette different roulette numbers have been tagged with the spin count... yeah I knew it was easy... I was just being dense...

Don't worry, Simon, I made the damn thing and then couldn't figure out how to use it!   Also, it's important to mention that when you back out the spins after 20, (ex, spin 21, you take out spin 1) if any of them were in the top row, I think you need to move the spins underneath them into the top row, so that you will have an accurate count of unique numbers.  Only the top row counts unique numbers.  Also, I am going to add a fifth row because I did have one instance where a number hit 5 times in 20 spins.

[RPro75]

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