Inside Number System - Wins within ten spins, Not betting every spin

simon · May 13, 2009, 01:53:58 PM

QuoteAlso, it's important to mention that when you back out the spins after 20, (ex, spin 21, you take out spin 1) if any of them were in the top row, I think you need to move the spins underneath them into the top row, so that you will have an accurate count of unique numbers.

....... huh? hmmm, maybe this is trickier than I thought. I am looking for the most efficient way to do this by pen and paper... numbers in cells cannot be replaced, they can only be crossed off and new count numbers added vertically underneath (because I don't plan to use pencils and do erasings, I don't think...)

simon · May 13, 2009, 01:57:50 PM

QuoteHere is the last test I made. . . I tried to perfect my playing but this time don't know what's going on!! I stopped because my 500 units bankroll would have burst. . .

........ I don't know if you played it right but this is why I do not play progressions, not to rain on the parade but my gut feeling is if you can't find a way to beat it with flat bets, it can't be beat... (I believe this has been shown in various studies on the matter, and NOT because of the table limits.. they have big table limits where I play and I am WAY out of there before getting anywhere's near table limits, if things start to crash and burn.) what I mean is, most people would be down plenty enough before getting near the table limits, to be concerned about the table limits...

bali96 · May 13, 2009, 02:00:37 PM

Hi RJ,

Firstly thank you for sharing your system with us all. I have been testing today and the one problem I have found is more often than not I end up with more than 3 repeaters in 20 spins. However (not sure if this is wise) but I have been getting very good results playing this slightly differently, probably luck I don't know...

When I reach 20 spins and have more than 3 repeaters I carry on tracking until I have the 17 unique numbers and then play exactly as you have been doing. Once I have got a hit I retrack back 20 spins and start over. So far as previously said the results have been similar to your original testing

Regards
Bali

simon · May 13, 2009, 02:20:39 PM

not to get too off subject but speaking of table limits and big bets, here is something I stood and watched at Mohegan Sun Casino in CT-- 2 asian guys were betting baccarat at the long table against each other, making $10,000 bets every bet! One guy kept betting against the other guy and I saw one of them lose $100,000 in CASH which he kept bringing out of a suitcase he was sitting with. It was unreal.

Here is the most amazing thing I ever saw at the roulette table-- I saw a guy place ONE $100 dollar chip on ONE number and WIN! It also, was unreal. But I saw it happen.

And for the last of my most memorable things I saw, yes, a dealer CAN hit a number, ofcourse not like everytime, and 99% of them cannot do this and do not even try to, but I was pretty friendly with a very skilled dealer who told me they practiced this in dealer school and really late at night when most of the tables were empty they would have fun trying this and he absolutely hit number 5 for me within about ten spins, I saw him do it and it was one of the coolest things I ever saw. But this was quite the exception to what the usual dealer can do.

ckb18 · May 13, 2009, 02:25:54 PM

PLEASE EXPLAIN. . . . . . . . . . . when you get a hit . . . . . do you start over again or??? and if you spin 20 and have 3 or more repeaters what do you do?? i have been spinning intil i get 17 triggers and then i will spin with out betting intill a repeater shows up . . . . . and then i bet. i dont under stand what you guy's are talking about taking numbers away to get your 20 spins?

why??? dont you spin intill you get your 17? even if you go over 20 spins? please clarify thanks. this system does look very promising!!!! thanks very much for posting it.

man RPRO dont know how we are going to bring this into the casino? looks like to much tracking and not enough time! hope you come up with something!! i know you will buddy. . . lol

Homeito · May 13, 2009, 02:36:02 PM

Hello,

I have been following this thread for a while and I like what I read.

Thank you RJ for sharing your method.

As the charting is a bit of a problem I have made a Intel-MAC executable program...
If any one is interested.
(No there is no Windows. But maybe a Motorola-version if there is any need)

It is called "RJETStWS.app" and you find it in the Members download:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=362

It is very small (something like 80K) but there is no fancy stuff either.
When you run it it looks like this:

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The Input Window (top left): Simply input the winning number (also 00) and press Enter.
While you are tracking you will see a "(x)" after the spin-number. When you see it you can enter "x" and your last entry will be deleted.
(No there is no such option when we are waiting for the trigger after spin 20)

The Bets Window (middle left): Well... you see yourself...

Sessions window (bottom left): Shows session-results.

The Spins window (center): The input results are showed here.
The first column shows spin numbers currently "used by the method" (1 - 20 while we chart and 1 - 37 when we wait for the trigger).
The second column show the total spin-number from the session's start.
The third column show the winning number.
The fourth column show "-" (this number will repeat) or "R" (this number is a repeater).
At the bottom it show how many different numbers there is in the showed sequence.

The rightmost window is not part of the program: It shows the spins I used for this: Wiesbaden table 3 from 30-04-2009.
The gray-marked number was the last entry and the program tells me to bet the numbers in the "Bets Window".

And I am just about to input the next number "28" that will win.

When a session ends you will be asked (in the Input Window) if you want to Roll back (save the last 20), start a New session (no spins saved) or Quit.
(Of course you can quit by cmd+Q anytime)

I THINK it works exactly as the pdf describes.

I will start tests soon.
Other things to do right now.
I am told...

Best regards,
Homeito Bemek

rjeaton1 · May 13, 2009, 02:38:32 PM

Quote from: ckb18 on May 13, 2009, 02:25:54 PM
PLEASE EXPLAIN. . . . . . . . . . . when you get a hit . . . . . do you start over again or??? and if you spin 20 and have 3 or more repeaters what do you do?? I have been spinning intil I get 17 triggers and then I will spin with out betting intill a repeater shows up . . . . . and then I bet. I dont under stand what you guy's are talking about taking numbers away to get your 20 spins? why??? dont you spin intill you get your 17? even if you go over 20 spins? please clarify thanks. this system does look very promising!!!! thanks very much for posting it.

man RPRO dont know how we are going to bring this into the casino? looks like to much tracking and not enough time! hope you come up with something!! I know you will buddy. . . lol

I know people want to bring this into a B & M casino and it seems like it would be difficult. It isn't (using Rpro's tracker...thanks again!). I have made a video (last one, I promise) that shows EXACTLY how to do it. I type what I'm doing on the screen and why I'm doing it so you can follow right along. This video will explain the system, how it works, how to track it all in under ten minutes. It makes it CRYSTAL CLEAR.

The tracking you see in the video is done as if I were in a B & M Casino, so what you see on screen would be your piece of paper (not an excel chart...paper)

Using this chart (as you'll see in the video) you count a column (when figuring number of different numbers) only if there is a number in it. You only count it once regardless of how many times that number may have hit. (makes sense when you watch the video)

The numbers being entered into the tracker in this video is NOT the number thrown by the roulette table. It is WHAT NUMBER SPIN YOU'RE ON.

When I am counting the different numbers I use my moust pointer (count along with me if you'd like)

When a number has to be removed (since you can't remove numbers from paper) I black it out on the screen just as you would with ink on a piece of paper.

The numbers used in the video are downloaded from random(.org) Decided to go with RNG numbers this time for you guys.

This video should leave you without any questions, only answers. Download it here (it's only 6 mb) nolinks://nolinks.mediafire.com/?sharekey=b320ba1087b5a97400d27174b47c66579efc3862070fa26cce018c8114394287

celiza427 · May 13, 2009, 03:05:32 PM

Quote from: rjeaton1 on May 13, 2009, 02:38:32 PM
I know people want to bring this into a B & M casino and it seems like it would be difficult. It isn't (using Rpro's tracker...thanks again!). I have made a video (last one, I promise) that shows EXACTLY how to do it. I type what I'm doing on the screen and why I'm doing it so you can follow right along. This video will explain the system, how it works, how to track it all in under ten minutes. It makes it CRYSTAL CLEAR.

The tracking you see in the video is done as if I were in a B & M Casino, so what you see on screen would be your piece of paper (not an excel chart...paper)

Using this chart (as you'll see in the video) you count a column (when figuring number of different numbers) only if there is a number in it. You only count it once regardless of how many times that number may have hit. (makes sense when you watch the video)

The numbers being entered into the tracker in this video is NOT the number thrown by the roulette table. It is WHAT NUMBER SPIN YOU'RE ON.

When I am counting the different numbers I use my moust pointer (count along with me if you'd like)

When a number has to be removed (since you can't remove numbers from paper) I black it out on the screen just as you would with ink on a piece of paper.

The numbers used in the video are downloaded from random(.org) Decided to go with RNG numbers this time for you guys.

This video should leave you without any questions, only answers. Download it here (it's only 6 mb) nolinks://nolinks.mediafire.com/?sharekey=b320ba1087b5a97400d27174b47c66579efc3862070fa26cce018c8114394287

Awesome RJ, appreciate the videos. They really clear up any questions/concerns that a new player to this system may have. I'll be sure to watch this later on just for reference but for now I'm staying loyal to RX until I have a chance to sit and analyze the different tracking methods.

betatester · May 13, 2009, 03:07:04 PM

Hello Forum. . .
It looks like if everybody was contributing this time.
Guess that it's "Mr. Contributor Day"

Thanks for sharing rjeton1. And all the others for the time and work. Just fine.

So here attached it's my piece of work.
It tracks and counts everything but the stop flags and the progression.
I've just made it just to see how this system looks like, how it performs.
It tracks 111 spins. Random (just Press F9) or load the numbers by yourself.
In a 17" monitor it fits well at 75% zoom.
Don't you use spin by spin because graphically it wasn't made for that, (you're not alerted at time for made the bets) but all the calculations are exact.

I just want too see how many times I can find 5 or 6 loses in a row in the beggining of the run, and it happens. . . often.
Pressing F9 I've noticed that at the end of the run, as more numbers outcomes and are included in the bet list, we can expect a big lose of -31 and sometimes more.

I will like to see if without changing anything else, and waiting until we have 30 different numbers, the "triggers" help us to invert the selection and bet. . . in those Play times + trigger, just the NON OUTCOMED numbers, in order to bet as few numbers as possible. Just a thought.

Well you can see by yourself.

All the best.
Betatester.

simon · May 13, 2009, 03:24:59 PM

VERY COOL ROBERT!! (I saw that one alright.) I'm not sure if I can follow betatester's thing and if he has just rained on the parade or not (not deliberately, just reporting what happens), but your latest video thing was great, thank you!! oh and homeito your program looks excellent too, but I don't have a mac so I can't really appreciate it as much...

rjeaton1 · May 13, 2009, 03:34:57 PM

Quote from: simon on May 13, 2009, 03:24:59 PM
VERY COOL ROBERT!! (I saw that one alright.) I'm not sure if I can follow betatester's thing and if he has just rained on the parade (not deliberately, just reporting what happens), but your latest video thing was very cool, thank you!!

Awesome, I hope it answered your questions. I love that BetaTester took the time to come up with what he did. Unfortunately it's not sticking to the system. You can't ever place bets consecutively and that's what that excel program does. The reason you can't place bets on consecutive spins is because of this:

On a win, you stop and re-track the previous twenty spins.
On a loss you clear the screen of bets and wait for another bet trigger (and if a bet trigger happens two spins in a row it means you have won).

Also, that excel file places bets ON spin 20. You can't ever place bets on spin 20 even if spin 20 was a double and you have 17 different numbers in 20 spins. The SOONEST YOU CAN EVER place a bet is spin after spin 21.

So a session goes one of two ways (in it's simplest form, obviously it can go a number of different ways, but this explains the system...again):

you have your 17 different numbers in 20 spins. You then hit spin. Spin 21 is a double (a trigger for you to place your bets on every number you have tracked). Spin 22 is another double...you win!! Yay!!

You have your 17 different numbers in 20 spins. You then hit spin. Spin 21 is a different number (not a bet trigger, no bets placed) You hit spin. Spin 22 is a double (a bet trigger...you place your bets on every number you have tracked). Spin 23 is a different number. You lose your bet. You then clear the screen and hit spin as many times (without betting) as you need to for another bet trigger to happen. Then you bet again, and so forth.

Going forward, any newcomers to the thread please download and read the PDF file and watch the videos and read the thread before posting anything. It's very tiresome explaining something over and over again (I'm not frustrated or anything, and I'm happy to answer questions...just new questions...and my hands are exhausted).

The pdf file link and video links have been placed in the very first post of this thread at the top of the page.

Happy Spinning and keep throwing your results up here!

RPro75 · May 13, 2009, 03:57:42 PM

I have re-done the tracker yet again.

Also, I have been trying something new and it has been working rather well. I wait until I have 24 unique numbers and if it is within 36 spins, I flat bet the 24 unique numbers until I reach spin 36. I have been getting rather astonishing results. Anyway, the new tracker is here for download...again!

MATTJONO · May 13, 2009, 04:17:13 PM

Quote from: RPro75 on May 13, 2009, 03:57:42 PM
I have re-done the tracker yet again. Also, I have been trying something new and it has been working rather well. I wait until I have 24 unique numbers and if it is within 36 spins, I flat bet the 24 unique numbers until I reach spin 36. I have been getting rather astonishing results. Anyway, the new tracker is here for download...again!

and if the unique numbers are below 24 at spin 36 we could flatbet the unhit numbers maybe.

cheers,
mattjono

p.s we could end up finding the perfect session from start to finish going of the circustances of the unhit/hit numbers and the law of the 3rd.

RPro75 · May 13, 2009, 04:17:45 PM

Here is my second successful test betting along with using this number tracker. All I did was bet the hit or unhit numbers depending on what my spin count was and how many unique numbers had shown. I posted the number tracker also so that you can match it up to the bets I made and see what the counts were when I bet. If the unique number count was a lot lower than the spin count, I bet the unhit numbers. If the unique number count was getting higher and closer to the spin count, I bet the hit numbers. I used flat bets, 1 and 2 units per number. This is a great tool, and I think combined with RJ's method we have a powerful system here, about the best I've seen. All spins are actuals from Weisbaden.

TEST RESULTS

Spin Number Type Bet Unit Win Loss Net Unit Bal. Bet Layout
0 400
1 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
2 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
3 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
4 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
5 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
6 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
7 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
8 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
9 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
10 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
11 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
12 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
13 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
14 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
15 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
16 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
17 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
18 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
19 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
20 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
21 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
22 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
23 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
24 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
25 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
26 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
27 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
28 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
29 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
30 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
31 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
32 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
33 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
34 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
35 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
36 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
37 31 Bet 22 36 -22 14 414 1 : 1,2,4,6,7,8,10,11,13,19,20,22,23,24,26,28,29,30,31,35,36,0
38 20 Bet 22 36 -22 14 428 1 : 1,2,4,6,7,8,10,11,13,19,20,22,23,24,26,28,29,30,31,35,36,0
39 21 Bet 22 0 -22 -22 406 1 : 1,2,4,6,7,8,10,11,13,19,20,22,23,24,26,28,29,30,31,35,36,0
40 18 Bet 23 0 -23 -23 383 1 : 1,2,4,6,7,8,10,11,13,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,28,29,30,31,35,36,0
41 7 Bet 48 72 -48 24 407 2 : 1,2,4,6,7,8,10,11,13,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,28,29,30,31,35,36,0
42 22 Bet 48 72 -48 24 431 2 : 1,2,4,6,7,8,10,11,13,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,28,29,30,31,35,36,0
43 33 Bet 48 0 -48 -48 383 2 : 1,2,4,6,7,8,10,11,13,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,28,29,30,31,35,36,0
44 22 Bet 50 72 -50 22 405 2 : 1,2,4,6,7,8,10,11,13,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,28,29,30,31,33,35,36
2 : 0
45 13 Bet 50 72 -50 22 427 2 : 1,2,4,6,7,8,10,11,13,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,28,29,30,31,33,35,36
2 : 0
46 33 Bet 50 72 -50 22 449 2 : 1,2,4,6,7,8,10,11,13,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,28,29,30,31,33,35,36
2 : 0
47 5 Bet 12 36 -12 24 473 1 : 3,5,9,12,14,15,16,17,25,27,32,34
48 23 Bet 12 0 -12 -12 461 1 : 3,5,9,12,14,15,16,17,25,27,32,34
49 14 Bet 11 36 -11 25 486 1 : 3,9,12,14,15,16,17,25,27,32,34
50 6 Bet 11 0 -11 -11 475 1 : 3,9,12,14,15,16,17,25,27,32,34
51 16 Bet 11 36 -11 25 500 1 : 3,9,12,14,15,16,17,25,27,32,34

+100 units in 51 spins

RPro75 · May 13, 2009, 04:19:55 PM

Quote from: MATTJONO on May 13, 2009, 04:17:13 PM

and if the unique numbers are below 24 at spin 36 we could flatbet the unhit numbers maybe.

cheers,
mattjono

p.s we could end up finding the perfect session from start to finish going of the circustances of the unhit/hit numbers and the law of the 3rd.

I'm thinking that this little collaboration of ours just made a major breakthrough!!!

RPro75 · May 13, 2009, 04:19:55 PM

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