Get answers to your questions about randomness.

[gizmotron]

So ask away.

Have gamblers ever consider the implications of what the existence of a perfect, long lived pattern implies?

How many walk up to a Roulette table and start betting their system without checking it to see what is happening first?

Have you bothered to learn the condition that will make your system crash?

Can situational awareness be programmed into a player?

What do you think learning to read randomness is for?

Do you think there is a system that is easy and is a trick, so that you will be able to retire as a gambling pro?

I think many here dream of an easy way to play Roulette. Many times, several have spent all their energy trying to convince claimers that they need to share their secrets of their success. It always turns into a begging and pleading effort to be given someone else's holy grail. Has anyone produced that holy grail yet? The answer is an emphatic "NO."

Nobody has successfully been shown the holy grail over begging and pleading.

Can you wreck a holy grail by publishing it on the internet. If you owned a casino would you defend your profits? If you knew of an advantage would would you shut it down? What are the chances that you will find a holy grail that you will actually be able to use?

It's time to think. You must love chasing the banana on a string, I guess. The holy grail is not going to make an appearance for you, ever. You are going to have to figure it out for yourselves. That is the kindest advice you will hear today. The day you set out to figure out a game of randomness is the day that you give your effort a real chance. Because the roulette wheel is nothing but a mechanical random number generator. It stands to reason that you need to understand every thing you can about randomness.

Consider this. Random streams of spins can do anything in the short term span of 200 spins. Why would your system be ready to go just because you entered the casino? Isn't that what you are searching for anyway. You just want to walk up and make a withdrawal with your ATM styled machine system. Why do you not learn to recognize the character of randomness. Specifically, why don't you learn when things tend to reoccur? Why don't you know how to recognize reoccurring situations? You can't see anything that you have not spent time learning to recognize. It's like learning a new language. You recognize words don't you.

Weather forecasters recognize developing dangers. They play that through as if what has happened in the past matters. They recognize patterns in order to save lives. Is reading randomness any different? Imagine there was a weather man that comes out and forecasts swarms of like typed patterns are forming on table five in the smoke free lounge. That the streaks are joined together instead of chaotic on table two in the main section. That's what it takes if you are a self achieved ignoramus. You need someone to hold your hand and put money into your wallet. Now that is a funny way to present yourself to a community of friends. That's the way I see almost all of you. You are very needy. You almost all of you have your hands out. Some of you are admittedly new at gambling. Achievement is not becoming a successful beggar on a forum. It's a monumental failing. It could lead to costing you too. So don't do that to yourself if you are new to gambling.

[WannaWin]

Bothered you have to learn the condition that will make your system crash?

Yes, now when I start to consider a system, the first thing I do is try to determine if the bad part can be clearly recognized. No use in betting something when in the dark.

Now I know for fact bet that the same selection will not always work, so my exercise is to work Actuals with a marker in identifying the current moment to be good or bad for bet selection. Yes, easy to spot after the play but not impossible during the play. Because it comes in chains.

It is too bad if the major chain of loses for the system is not spotted. The bad chain has to be clearly spotted to become better non-bettor, and if many of these bad chains coming then better to leave because "it is not your day." Not betting is important because the not loss chip can be saved or used other better moment of stream and perhaps win.

If we save the loss of single units in the short time we are increasing the possibility that we get good data to benefit us. The fact is you can not bet when good moment is in if you don't have bank left to hit and leave.

I totally agree with Mr. Gizmotron that people recognizes only the ones which is trained to recognize, and if is not recognized when the system tends to lose then no advantage can be obtained because then why are you going to run out of bank and you're not even aware what happened, as all the other chips that water on the cloth of the table by people who gambles without reason and without rithm to the data.

Example, using the sequence DBL the killer is chained series 2.
When series 2 are "King" then why do we play this installment? Better wait for a better stretch where there is scarcity of the series 2.

Never bet the chains of series 2 when betting DBL. It may sound simple, but even if there are several sets of row 2, people will think that the next launch will be the end of series 2 and can begin to win big. But roulette is not to reward the players contrary to it, but those that synchronize with it.

Guaranteed in the long-term series of 2 and the other must be balanced to what gives the probability, but in the short term is best determined by how data is currently passing at stream.

How long will the winning trait continue? We do not know. But then you save chips by not betting bad moments. Makes sense to me for short term play.

Be always tje wiser player than last year.

WannaWin

[Arteinvivo]

now when I start to consider a system, the first thing I do is try to determine if the bad part can be clearly recognized. No use in betting something when in the dark

Me too, i do the same but alas the bad part can never be clearly recognized as it's a random game. When i think the bad part is over a new bad part begins once again. Of course, there are fugace moments where i think i might get an advantage but alas it never lasts. What to do ?

[Spike]

When I think the bad part is over a new bad part begins once again.>>

There are no 'bad parts', there are just outcomes that don't fit into your system. You don't know how to read random, so its all very puzzling to you.

[gizmotron]

There are no 'bad parts', there are just outcomes that don't fit into your system. You don't know how to read random, so its all very puzzling to you.

So much for the truth. They don't get it Spike. Everything is in motion on it's way to becoming something else. Those that discuss understanding randomness and possible discerning what it's doing, well they seem to describe getting bitten by it alot. There is a lack of agility in their perceptions. They are like a jet pilot that gets behind the plane. That's not a good way to fly in combat and it even worse while playing what is happening in Roulette. One gets you killed for real the other kills your bankroll.

Watch them talk about using patterns and randomness. They have already admitted to reacting too late alot. They only see the basics and are still lacking massive amounts of experience. It's fun to watch though. Some of them are trying baby steps. That puts them miles ahead of the others.

[gizmotron]

As I can see through your replys you don't have anything serious to say or even remotely connected to the original topic "Get answers to your questions about randomness". All I can say is put up or shut up.

Don't be a total retard Arte. The point is for you to seek and get answers. Your obvious lack of interest in randomness makes me wonder what you would ask in the first place. I don't provide the answers unless questions are asked. Nobody is asking anything. The point was to seek, get off your butt and seek for yourself. The only answer is the one you give yourself. You are nothing but a do nothing gambler that wants an easy system to make your ATM type withdrawals with. You won't get an easy answer in an effort made to learning to read randomness.

Maybe the title should be "Arte, get answers to your questions about randomness by working very hard to discover them.

You could of course complain all you want. You know what that will get you.

[Arteinvivo]

I much prefer games of ping pong. At least, when I win it's because of my ability and not a random chance 

You are right on one point, i don't consider random games anymore since i began trading. Nothing compares to that.

[Jakkalsdraai]

"What do you think learning to read randomness is for?"

How do you read randomness? My question is just that if it is random then it is not possible to read it right?

Cheers
Jakk

[bombus]

Jakk,

I think you're right. You can't read random.

I think you have to learn how to decipher it then read that with something else.

[Spike]

I think you're right. You can't read random.>>

At one time in your life you couldn't read anything and then you learned how. Amazing..

[gizmotron]

Jakk,

I think you're right. You can't read random.

I think you have to learn how to decipher it then read that with something else.

Perhaps that is only a semantic argument. You use combinations of alphabetic characters to see words. In English there are only 26 characters. Of that, there are rules that are generally followed in order to obtain meaning. Like the word "to" and the word "too" for instance.

In randomness there are characteristics to different forms or states available to it, and that could easily be described as the alphabet of randomness. Randomness follows probability when it is at it's neutral state. In other words, what you see happening is right along the lines of distribution expectations for long term results, as a temporary state. So one aspect of randomness is to notice if it is above or below that trend line for the normal temporary state. Then there is noticing trends of flow patterns. They exist in every system, betting scheme, table layout combinations, etc... They follow the same type of characteristic tendencies. At no time does math have a predictability or rule that can effect patterns and trends. If you think they can then that is believing in a math fallacy. In fact it needs a name, "gambler's math fallacy." Now live with that math absolutists. You have to live with those that know you are only depending on a math's fallacy.

I have yet to be offered a coherent math argument that dispels pattern recognition and clustering analysis. All I'm ever offered is probability and distribution odds. Those concepts only hold true of the mechanical device providing the randomness in the first place. There is no cognitive decision making concepts allowed in such a sterile environment. It's the gambler that makes the mistakes. Understanding the normal flat line state of probability is only a guiding mechanism to education of higher beings. You must be smarter than the wheel. After all, it's only wood, metal parts, and ball bearings.

[bombus]

Ocne you boecme pfirconiet in the Eglnsih lgganaue, yuor biran wlil rdailey dpcieehr wdors eevn wehn tehy are jembuld up pvodreid the fsirt and lsat ltretes rimean in pacle.

To read random proficiently, do we need something to anchor to as in the above sentence?

If so, in regard to roulette, is there the possibility of creating a universal language for random reading purposes?

[gizmotron]

Ocne you boecme pfirconiet in the Eglnsih lgganaue, yuor biran wlil rdailey dpcieehr wdors eevn wehn tehy are jembuld up pvodreid the fsirt and lsat ltretes rimean in pacle.

To read random proficiently, do we need something to anchor to as in the above sentence?

If so, in regard to roulette, is there the possibility of creating a universal language for random reading purposes?

You need to anchor yourself in practice. The more you focus on one thing happening to a selected group the more you can see the same characteristic in many more groups. Then you see it in just about everything. Randomness effects everything. It's universal in using it.

[Jakkalsdraai]

Yet randomness is just exactly that....randomness.Nothing is telling randomness to distribute a certain selection or group of numbers within a certain amount of spins.....short term or longterm. That is because it's random. That or ...... the roulette wheel is not totally random as previously thought. Look at RNG. Is it crooked? Is it 100% random? If not, is it closer to random than the real wheel?

Maybe RNG is seen as crooked because it is closer to randomness than the real wheel. Who determines what is truly random and what is not?

Not trying to be difficult just want to point out some of my thoughts

Cheers
Jakk

[gizmotron]

Yet randomness is just exactly that....randomness.Nothing is telling randomness to distribute a certain selection or group of numbers within a certain amount of spins.....short term or longterm. That is because it's random. That or ...... the roulette wheel is not totally random as previously thought. Look at RNG. Is it crooked? Is it 100% random? If not, is it closer to random than the real wheel?

Maybe RNG is seen as crooked because it is closer to randomness than the real wheel. Who determines what is truly random and what is not?

Not trying to be difficult just want to point out some of my thoughts

Cheers
Jakk

I disagree with your opinion, perception, and your lack of knowledge altogether. It has lead directly to you displaying your gambling prowess as amateurish at best.

Just look at this deduction, "Nothing is telling randomness to distribute a certain selection..." Like duh dood! There is nothing but gravity, inertia, velocity, acceleration, and time to say the least. All of these random factors add up to almost perfect randomness. Add to that low sided boundaries for each slot and you get an almost truly random mechanism. Here is a clue. Nothing is preventing randomness from distributing in a repetitious pattern or trend. When will you stop looking for the cause of patterns, trends, dominances, and global effects? They just exist. They exist because that is the nature of randomness. They exist in the person that recognizes them. If nobody was there to notice them they would still exist.

Here you go. You need it to be magic. So little green men from Mars make the Roulette randomness, perception illusion an insider's feature of the conquest of planet Earth.

Why does everyone want randomness to be a predictor? I'm guessing that it's that way for them because they can easily understand it that way. It would provide them with a simple set of rules to gamble by. Sorry, you are going to have to use that space between your ears. That is the great expanse to overcome.

[gizmotron]

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