Get answers to your questions about randomness.

[gizmotron]

have  anyone  there think  about  randomness like a  huge advantage how  many  time  u  was  seen  this  1  36  3 15 10 15??  now can u  tell  me  which  number  come   next ??

The answer is any number from column 3, (3-36). You have c1, c3, c3, c3, c1, c3. If that holds up for one more spin then c3 will hit.

[gizmotron]

Just about all of you can't see this because you don't understand the use of it. The point is to search for what is working. If you enter a stretch of patterns, where most of the first moves to bet them loses, then don't do that. You have a dominance for when first moves lose. There is dominance in everything you attempt. They exist as above the base line, below the base line, on the base line, and forms of chop. Not only does it apply to pattern recognition and clustering analysis but it applies to the win loss, bet selection process too. There are base lines for successful stretches of the gambling session. It's everywhere if you teach yourself how to see it.

So to be true to myself, you must do your own work. Someone can get you started but you will have to learn it on your own. It has to be so difficult that they will value their own effort after they have done it. It must be for those that aren't afraid to learn something new and to do enough work that it begins to give you an advantage. If you complain about that then too bad. Nobody directed me to learn this. This is my own original learning process without anyone giving me first step advice. I'm truly fascinated by those that have been pointed in the right direction with the hopes that complaining will get them an "easy button" lesson.

[gizmotron]

Think I touched a nerve there  LMFAO 

No, you are the one hanging around just in case you might learn something. Just because your perception of the process of getting through to others or yourself is jaded does not mean I have to give a hoot. I've spent two years trying to get interest in randomness, what's working, pattern recognition, and clustering analysis as it relates to Roulette. I'm done with the nay saying disrupters. They have never failed to appear. They have hijacked every thread I started to discuss this. Don't believe me? Just ask those that have been around during all that. I had to deal with Arte and his fake Matrix. That was the first off topic disruption.

What I have done is hand out the truth just to watch it confuse the disrupters. It's the ultimate payback. I would love to see the epiphany, when that comes crashing down.

Nope, you are irrelevant. It would be hilarious if you were to take over and explain randomness. You have the floor.

[insidebet]

Gizmo,

Interesting stuff to say the least.  Your thread gets to the very core of the whole problem: is Roulette completely random?  In this case there is no hope without bias or VB.  Or is there any hidden pattern in what seems totally chaotic?

Your pieces are interesting but weak on real substance.  You seem to have studied the subject a great deal but for the rest of us, mere mortals, it seems a little bit aloof.  This not the way, in my opinion to get positive feed back.   I can discuss stuff with you that you know very little about.   If I make you feel stupid cos you don't grasp every concept right of the bat, will you pay a lot of attention to my teaching???

Would you please go under Brainstorming, Neural Networks.  I wrote  a little piece a few months ago that could possibly be of some interest to you.  If it is irrelevant, please don't call me an idiot...

Insidebet

[gizmotron]

Gizmo,

Interesting stuff to say the least.  Your thread gets to the very core of the whole problem: is Roulette completely random?  In this case there is no hope without bias or VB.  Or is there any hidden pattern in what seems totally chaotic?

Your pieces are interesting but weak on real substance.  You seem to have studied the subject a great deal but for the rest of us, mere mortals, it seems a little bit aloof.  This not the way, in my opinion to get positive feed back.   I can discuss stuff with you that you know very little about.   If I make you feel stupid cos you don't grasp every concept right of the bat, will you pay a lot of attention to my teaching???

Would you please go under Brainstorming, Neural Networks.  I wrote  a little piece a few months ago that could possibly be of some interest to you.  If it is irrelevant, please don't call me an idiot...

Insidebet

Go ahead, suggest a hypotheses or present your basic position. I hope it relates to the topic. You can stop pretending to be delicate about being condescending. I assure you that randomness & I can take it. Just leave out the posturing. It's OK to be so smart that we can't stand it. I removed many of my posts in this section because of disruptions by others.

I did notice that you have no questions about randomness and that you present yourself as understanding all. You clearly have implied that I'm in error. My gut reaction is to leave you in your great knowledge.

I'm going to the casino for a couple of days so take your time.

[insidebet]

Boy!  Please get serious.  I said nothing condescending or insulting.  Several other people here have said exactly the same thing.  Of course we are just amateurs and know sweet nothing.  I never said you were in error.  Only that we know very little about what makes you so special.  A lot of guys on this site have stated things like: "There is way to win at this game.  But you have to find it for yourself. Don't expect to get it on silver platter".  Anyone can state that.

I too think that there may be hidden patterns.  Only it goes far beyond the amateurish so-called systems we find here.

I did suggest something: Brainstorming, Neural Networks.  Again please, pretty please, take look at the idea.  Obviously you did not.

Insidebet

[gizmotron]

Gizmo,
   I can discuss stuff with you that you know very little about.   If I make you feel stupid cos you don't grasp every concept right of the bat, will you pay a lot of attention to my teaching???

... "Boy!  Please get serious.  I said nothing condescending or insulting. "

Spare us from your great gambling savvy prowess. You have said zilch about Randomness. You are making you the issue here. The topic is Randomness.  You are acting ridiculous. You suggest I take up a discussion of Neural Networks with you. Only one problem. You never said anything about it. There is nothing to look at because you are just wasting time here talking about the minutia of internet etiquette and forum decorum. A consortium of people such as yourself would not intimidate me into watching you blab about nothing. If you have something to suggest about randomness then go ahead. Randomness is the topic not me and any others that must put up with attitude trips.

For the record this is your chance. If you blab on and on about anything but Neural Networks or Randomness than I will accept that you can't control yourself. That will get all this ejected, flushed down the toilette.

[Number Six]

Gizmotron,

I know you are busy making friends with Insidebet and I really don't want to step into the middle of your bonding, but I'm interested in something. As a plein player, outside bets are irrelevant to me. However, recently I'm growing quite fond of e/c betting. The patterns created by say R and B are quite dissimilar to those created by, say, a compliment 6-plein sectors. What I want to know is, if I were to concentrate my betting on R and B, what should I be looking at as regards spin count before a pattern becomes attackable? For example, if isolated singles were occurring, or clusters of doubles like BBRBBR or BBRRBB...should I be considering these patterns in the very-short term, ie a dozen spins or so or shorter/longer? And would you use a predefined trigger to signify that a pattern has broken. Is this stuff teachable or picked up through practice? Or maybe found in the entrails of a baloney?

[insidebet]

Gizmoron,

You are one sick son of a b***h and I honestly feel sorry for you.  Best of luck with your life......

[gizmotron]

Number Six, the secret to understanding when and what works is experience. Spike has been telling you from day one the secret. If you practice at home, using different techniques, you will begin to see why "BBRBBR or BBRRBB" works for you sometimes and when it works best. You should figure out short term repetitive short term advantages that group together in clusters of similarity, as well as longer term dominances. It's all one thing, experience. So practice until you get it. There is no straight answer because conditions change. You need to know from experience what that means to you and your bet selection strategy. That's why it can't be explained. You must experience it for yourself.

It's hard to disagree with anyone that makes the effort and takes the time to understand this. It's illuminating. You can control your decisions while you make experienced choices. You can control when you attack a weakness in the flow of data. Of course there are no guarantees. You just gain the ability to control what comes at you. Truth be told your entire session can be fruitless. But other sessions can be very fruitful. Your attack method should have a consideration for that. You can't lose what you don't put on the table.

[gizmotron]

Gizmoron,

You are one sick son of a b*tch and I honestly feel sorry for you.  Best of luck with your life......

OK, you can't control yourself. Buzz off. Go to some other section of the forum. You are nothing but a disrupter here.

[insidebet]

For your information, what I asked you to look at had everything to do with with randomness.  But you are so full of yourself (not to mention something else) that you didn't even bother to look.

Another thing you can't tell me to buzz off unless you have the guts to say it to my face.  But I know your type...

Insidebet

[gizmotron]

Just in case you delete this: I responded to your NN thread.

VLS,
A neural network tries to emulate the human brain in the sense that it will try to win through trials and errors. 
It is a bit like a new born baby at first: it doesn't know anything at all. Just the rules of the game itself.  It will make billions of calculations, permutations trying to detect "patterns".  That is exact thing most of us are trying to do here. 
If there is a Grail involving patterns, a computer should be able to find it.

Anyone that tries can outperform the computer. The human can see similarities that are more like characteristics of form rather than the actual recurrence of an exact duplicate situation. Knowledge of characteristics, learned from practice, are more valuable than simple pattern recognition.

But be careful.  It has to involve a very large number of possible bet to be meaningful.

You can discern some characteristics and changes in just a few spins, if you have learned how to read randomness that is. You can know something about the situation at spin fifteen out of thirty of the full duration of a known trend type. I noticed a situation that lasted for 40 spins last night at the casino. I hammered it to death vigorously.

[gizmotron]

For your information, what I asked you to look at had everything to do with with randomness.  But you are so full of yourself (not to mention something else) that you didn't even bother to look.

Another thing you can't tell me to buzz off unless you have the guts to say it to my face.  But I know your type...

Insidebet

So far you have blown all your assumptions. That's all you have. BTW, here is another post with nothing. You seem to only want to disrupt the thread. I'm keeping this so that many can have an example of someone that refuses to discuss the topic. It's a great example.

[insidebet]

Thanks for the reply.

If I hear you well,  your studying of randomness has more to do with art than science.  Is that right?

Insider

[insidebet]

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