Reverse Numbers and 1-9 system

TwoCatSam · April 23, 2008, 06:01:49 PM

I am working to think of the best example of new eyes on the marquee. I will git 'er done.

TwoCatSam · April 23, 2008, 06:09:28 PM

Jakkalsdraai

Considering the reverse numbers, you count 10, 20 and 30 in your betting schemes. Why do you not consider 01, 02 and 03 to be in the mix?

Maybe I don't understand what a "reverse number" is.

S

bloomone2002 · April 23, 2008, 11:46:28 PM

Jakkalsdraai, i did a test from from the WestSpiel Casino archive. I first checked table 8 on 4/1, but it was moving slowly and didnt qualify so, i will to table 8 on 4/5/08. in the first 10 spins the reverse numbers were hitting very well, but the splits were a little slow. But i decided to go for it in a 98 spin session. playing $1 chips. The reverse had 15 opps with 12 w and 3 losses, giving it a -18 unit result. The split had almost equal opps. with a 14 opps. A record of 12 w and 2 losses, giving the splits a +25 units. overall a +7 unit return. hopefully, I calculated this session correctly. The only thing not factor throughout this process is the 3 or 4 in 10, but im not sure it mattered in this result. i did qualify the reverse numbers upfront. hmm is +7 is positive. Is there someway to improve my results here.

See results below. Sorry this chart didnt lined very well.
WestSpiel Casino
Session1 Table 8 4/5/2008
Spin# Number Reverse W/L Split W/L Total Units
1..... 16..................... l...................... l
2..... 25..................... l...................... l
3..... 32..................... W...................... l
4..... 29..................... l...................... l
5..... 30..................... w...................... w
6..... 12..................... w...................... l
7..... 27..................... qualify................. w
8..... 27..................... l...................... qualify
9..... 20..................... trigger................. l
10..... 5..... 1.............. l.... -12............. l
11..... 21..... 2.............. w.... 46............. l
12..... 21..................... trigger................. l
13..... 0..... 1.............. l.... -12............. l
14..... 6..... 2.............. l.... -24............. trigger
15..... 33..... 3.............. w.... 69.... 1............... l...... -6
16..... 29..... ........2.......................l...... -12
17..... 24..... ........3............... l...... -18
18..... 3..... ........4................ w...... 44
19..... 2.....
20..... 16.....
21..... 9.....
22..... 0.....
23..... 26.....
24..... 25.....
25..... 35.....
26..... 2.....
27..... 16.....
28..... 29.....
29..... 2.....
30..... 8.....
31..... 23............. trigger
32..... 5..... 1...... l...... -12
33..... 5..... 2...... l...... -24
34..... 17..... 3...... l...... -36
35..... 9..... 4...... l...... -48
36..... 18...................... Trigger
37..... 6............................. 1...................... w 11
38..... 29.....
39..... 12............. trigger
40..... 26..... 1...... l...... -12
41..... 32..... 2...... w...... 46
42..... 8.....
43..... 7............. Trigger
44..... 12............. trigger 1............... l -6
45..... 23..... 1...... w...... 23...... 2............... l -12
46..... 6.............. 3............... w 33
47..... 7...... trigger
48..... 34............. 1............... w 11
49..... 33............. trigger
50..... 15..... 1...... l...... -12 trigger
51..... 16..... 2...... l...... -24 ........1............... l -6
52..... 35..... 3...... l...... -36 ........2 ................l -12
53..... 12..... 4...... w...... 92 ........3 ................l -18
54..... 36..... ........4 ................l -24
55..... 28.....
56..... 31..... trigger trigger
57..... 3..... 1...... l...... -12 ........1...................... w 11
58..... 31..... 2...... w...... 46 trigger
59..... 22..... ........trigger.. 1............... w 11
60..... 19..... 1...... l -12 trigger
61..... 9..... 2...... l -24..... 1............... l -6
62..... 27..... 3...... l -36...... 2............... w 22
63..... 23..... 4...... w 92
64..... 20..... ........trigger
65..... 12..... 1...... w 23
66..... 26.....
67..... 1.....
68..... 31..... ........trigger trigger
69..... 2..... 1...... l -12........... 1................... l -6
70..... 6..... 2...... l -24...... 2............... w 22
71..... 23..... 3...... w 69
72..... 1.....
73..... 22..... ........trigger trigger
74..... 34..... 1...... l -12...... 1............... w 11
75..... 11..... 2...... w 46
76..... 18..... trigger
77..... 32..... ........trigger........ 1............... l -6
78..... 29..... 1...... l -12............ 2............... l -12
79..... 12..... 2...... w 46 3 l -18
80..... 0..... 4 l -24
81..... 0.....
82..... 31..... ........trigger trigger
83..... 17..... 1...... l -12...... 1............... l -6
84..... 35..... 2...... l -24......... 2............... l -12
85..... 16..... 3...... l -36...... 3............... l -18
86..... 31..... 4...... w 92....... 4............... w 44
87..... 21..... ........trigger
88..... 26..... 1...... l -12
89..... 36..... 2...... l -24
90..... 15..... 3...... l -36 trigger
91..... 8..... 4...... l -48....... 1............... l -6
92..... 6..... ........2............... w 22
93..... 15..... trigger
94..... 30..... ........trigger 1 ................w 11
95..... 36..... 1...... l -12
96..... 0..... 2...... l -24
97..... 9..... 3...... l -36
98..... 17..... 4...... l -48
99
100
12W & 3L -18u 12w & 2L 25u 7units

Jakkalsdraai · April 24, 2008, 04:12:52 AM

Session1 Table 8 4/5/2008
Spin# Number Reverse W/L Split W/L Total Units
1..... 16
2..... 25
3..... 32
4..... 29
5..... 30
6..... 12
7..... 27
8..... 27
9..... 20 reverse trigger
10..... 5 No win
11..... 21 Win = +36 C (2C x 36 = 72. Then 72-36 = 36)
12..... 21 reverse trigger
13..... 0 No win 1C
14..... 6 No win 2C Trigger for splits
15..... 33 Win = +36C (3C x 36 = 108 - 72 = 36 )
No win on splits next bet 2 C
16..... 29 No win on splits next bet 3 C
17..... 24 No win on splits next bet 4C
18..... 3 Win on Splits 4C x 18 = +12 C (72 - 60=12)
19..... 2
20..... 16
21..... 9
22..... 0
23..... 26
24..... 25
25..... 35
26..... 2
27..... 16
28..... 29
29..... 2
30..... 8
31..... 23 Trigger for reverse
32..... 5
33..... 5
34..... 17
35..... 9 OK here we have a loss so that will be -120C
36..... 18 Tigger for splits
37..... 6 Hit on Spilts + 12
38..... 29
39..... 12 Trigger for Reverse
40..... 26 No win add C
41..... 32 Win Reverse + 48C
42..... 8
43..... 7
44..... 12 Trigger for Reverse
45..... 23 Win Reverse +24
46..... 6 Trigger for splits
47..... 7 No win add C
48..... 34 Win on splits +18C
49..... 33 Trigger for Reverse
50..... 15 No win - add C
Trigger splits
51..... 16 No win - add C on both reverse and split
52..... 35 No win - add C on both reverse and split

53..... 12 Win on Reverse + 24 C No win on split
54..... 36 Loose on split - 60 C
55..... 28
56..... 31 Trigger reverse & split
57..... 3 Win on Split + 12 C
Add C for reverse
58..... 31 Win on reverse +36 C
Trigger splits
59..... 22 Win on splits +12 C
60..... 19 Trigger splits
61..... 9 Add C for splits
62..... 27 Win on splits +18 C
63..... 23 Trigger Reverse
64..... 20 Win on reverse + 24 C
65..... 12 Trigger reverse
66..... 26 No win add C
67..... 1 No Win add C
68..... 31 Win on reverse +36C
Trigger for splits
69..... 2 No win
70..... 6 Win on splits + 18C
71..... 23 Trigger for reverse
72..... 1 No win
73..... 22 Win +36C
Trigger for splits
74..... 34 Win +12C
75..... 11 Trigger for reverse
76..... 18 Trigger for splits but add 1 C for reverse
77..... 32 Reverse wins +18C
78..... 29 No win
79..... 12 Tigger for reverse No win Split
80..... 0 Splits Loose -60C
81..... 0 No win reverse
82..... 31 Reverse wins +36 C Splits trigger
83..... 17 No win
84..... 35 No win
85..... 16 No win
86..... 31 Splits win +12 C Reverse numbers triggered
87..... 21 Reverse hits +24 C
88..... 26
89..... 36
90..... 15 Splits trigger
91..... 8
92..... 6 splits hit +18C
93..... 15 Splits trigger
94..... 30 Splits hit +18C Reverse triggers
95..... 36
96..... 0
97..... 9
98..... 17 Reverse loose -120
99
100

For a 180 Chip profit. So if it was $5 then that would be $900 profit.

Hope you understand Bloome.

@ Twocatsam, reason why 1,2,3 are not reverse numbers are because the zero in front of the number has no value. only the 1,2,3 has value. For instance 01,001,0001,00001 all have the same value so 0=0 here. if the zero is behind a number it has value. for instance, 10,100,1000,10000

BTW Twocat, why are you gunning for me? It's clear that you are trying your best to find that question that I will not be able to answer. I do not understand the motivation behind it. I'm posting this system so that we can all together test this system and try and better it where possible, hopefully to profit from it in the future.

Sometimes it feels like some people only join forums to be controversial. I just don't understand it.

Twocat, if you want to be part of this and help, you are more than welcome, if not and your mission is to try and discredit me, you are not welcome. Please find another thread where this kind of thing is welcomed.

Initially I did excellent with this system. Now I've had one or two losses. Edgardo and Bloome's numbers they posted also showed the potential of this system. Why not actually do testing (with a positive attitude) and help us improve. Your suggestions will be appreciated.

Cheers
Jakkalsdraai

bloomone2002 · April 24, 2008, 06:18:09 AM

Thanks Jakkalsdraai, for working this out for me, I saw my error was in the payout amount for a split and reverse, however, i think you missed some of the triggers, see below, along with my recalculated results:

spin 20 #26= -12

spin 43 #7 is a trigger split, then spin 44= -6 and spin 45= -12
At this point all your trigger splits are off

spin 59 #22 is also a reverse trigger, therefore from this point
the rest of the reverse results are off.

Now after correcting some of my errors, its looks like the reverse is +12 Chips and Splits are +48 chips
and total = +60 chips, not 180 Chips. If I am correct +60 Chips for 98 spins is still pretty decent.

Am I correct?

Jakkalsdraai · April 24, 2008, 06:27:05 AM

Hey Bloome,

when you played did you add a Chip to each number for every spin up to 4 spins?

Reverse numbers:

1st spin - 12units (1unit per numbers)
2nd spin - 24units (2units per number)
3rd spin - 36units (3units per number)
4th spin - 48units (4units per number)

Splits:

1st spin - 6units (1 unit per split)
2nd spin - 12units (2 units per split)
3rd spin - 18units (3 units per split)
4th spin - 24units (4 units per split)

Also remember that these two systems must be played as seperate entities as if the other do not exist. That means you might end up with the scenario that you have chips on the 31/34 split and on the 31 (reverse). So if 31 hits you profit from both plays.

I do not understand how you got -18units for reverse numbers. You will see I got altogether 180Units profit (reverse and split)

Compare yours to mine and see where it went wrong. Hope I didn't make a mistake, cause I had to breeze through it!.

Cheers and good luck my friend.
Jakkalsdraai

PS. Well done with changing tables and qualifying this one. It worked well.

Jakkalsdraai · April 24, 2008, 06:27:59 AM

I'll check quickly

bloomone2002 · April 24, 2008, 06:38:33 AM

yes thanks, i think i have the understanding of number units +/- down and the concept to treat the split and reverse separate and that there are possibilities double wins.

Below were the spins from the previous table which i though did not qualify at that point and decided to move on to the recorded session ive listed:

32
34
9
26
29
25
34
12
8
34

Jakkalsdraai · April 24, 2008, 07:00:14 AM

1..... 16
2..... 25
3..... 32
4..... 29
5..... 30
6..... 12
7..... 27
8..... 27
9..... 20 reverse trigger
10..... 5 No win
11..... 21 Win = +36 C (2C x 36 = 72. Then 72-36 = 36)
12..... 21 reverse trigger
13..... 0 No win 1C
14..... 6 No win 2C Trigger for splits
15..... 33 Win = +36C (3C x 36 = 108 - 72 = 36 )
No win on splits next bet 2 C
16..... 29 No win on splits next bet 3 C
17..... 24 No win on splits next bet 4C
18..... 3 Win on Splits 4C x 18 = +12 C (72 - 60=12)
19..... 2
20..... 16
21..... 9
22..... 0
23..... 26
24..... 25
25..... 35
26..... 2
27..... 16
28..... 29
29..... 2
30..... 8
31..... 23 Trigger for reverse
32..... 5
33..... 5
34..... 17
35..... 9 OK here we have a loss so that will be -120C
36..... 18 Tigger for splits
37..... 6 Hit on Spilts + 12
38..... 29
39..... 12 Trigger for Reverse
40..... 26 No win add C
41..... 32 Win Reverse + 36C
42..... 8
43..... 7
44..... 12 Trigger for Reverse
45..... 23 Win Reverse +24
46..... 6 Trigger for splits
47..... 7 Win on splits +12C
48..... 34 Trigger splits
49..... 33 Trigger for Reverse
50..... 15 Win on splits +18C

51..... 16 No win - add C on both reverse and split
52..... 35 No win - add C on both reverse and split

53..... 12 Win on Reverse + 24 C
54..... 36
55..... 28
56..... 31 Trigger reverse & split
57..... 3 Win on Split + 12 C
Add C for reverse
58..... 31 Win on reverse +36 C
Trigger splits
59..... 22 Win on splits +12 C & trigger reverse
60..... 19 Trigger splits
61..... 9 Add C for splits
62..... 27 Win on splits +18 C
63..... 23 Win on Reverse +24 C
64..... 20 Trigger reverse
65..... 12 Win reverse + 24 C
66..... 26 No win
67..... 1 No Win
68..... 31 Trigger reverse
Trigger for splits
69..... 2 No win
70..... 6 Win on splits + 18C
71..... 23 Win for reverse +36 C
72..... 1
73..... 22 Trigger reverse and splits

74..... 34 Win +12C - splits
75..... 11 Win for reverse +36 C
76..... 18 Trigger for splits
77..... 32 Trigger for reverse
78..... 29 No win
79..... 12 Reverse wins +36 C
80..... 0 Splits Loose -60C
81..... 0
82..... 31 Trigger for reverse and splits
83..... 17 No win
84..... 35 No win
85..... 16 No win
86..... 31 Splits win +12 C
Reverse wins +24 C
87..... 21 Reverse triggers
88..... 26
89..... 36
90..... 15 Splits trigger
91..... 8 Reverse looses -120 C
92..... 6 splits hit +18C
93..... 15 Splits trigger
94..... 30 Splits hit +18C Reverse triggers
95..... 36
96..... 0
97..... 9
98..... 17 Reverse loose -120
99
100

OK Now I get 126 Units or Chips. So x The Chip value you are playing.
Yes not to bad at all.

Easy to make a mistake though. Have to keep one's witts!

Thanx and Cheers Mate!
Jakkalsdraai

PS. Well done again with qualifying the table correctly.

Jakkalsdraai · April 24, 2008, 07:04:01 AM

Have to go work now Mate.

Will reply this evening to your posts.

You can re-check my calculations. Hopefully they are more accurate now!

Cheers Mate,

Till later

Jakkalsdraai

bloomone2002 · April 24, 2008, 07:13:47 AM

okay, im going to bed. i think the calculations on the reverse is correct, however, we missed the split trigger, i spoke about previously on spin 43, which is #7, that will give us an additional loss for the splits later in the session.

Jakkalsdraai · April 24, 2008, 07:54:21 AM

Agreed.

There is though 2 wins inbetween that must be added to splits. So the loss will be a bit less +30 and the loss -60 so altogether -30C

Take the +126C - 30C = 96 Chips.

Still not bad at all. Waht do you think? Potential?

Cheers Mate, have a good rest.

Jakkalsdraai

TwoCatSam · April 24, 2008, 09:41:43 AM

Jakkalsdraai

Sorry to have offended you. I will not ask you any more questions.

I did not just "come on this forum" as you put it. I was one of the first three here. Victor, Lanky and myself......long before you showed up. I merely took some personal time off.

As to the question of why I do not test and post, I learned a long time ago it is useless to test a system over thousands of spins and then learn you were doing it wrong. That is why I questioned Clothdog on his Root system. Did I not post, with great specificity, those great results??

Brother, if I feel a system has merit, I will devote hundreds of hours to it. I tested one over 7,000 spins at CasinoWebCam. Had I not felt your system had some merit, I would never have given it a second thought.

As to trying to tear something down, consider this: When you postulate a theory, do you not want people to do their best to prove you wrong. Hell, man, it's win-win!! If they prove you wrong, you don't lose at the table. If they prove you right, it strengthens your position! Only a person without the strength of his convictions will bristle when someone challenges him.

Again, I meant no offense; I was merely trying to learn.

Sam

bloomone2002 · April 24, 2008, 02:28:05 PM

Ok, Jakkalsdraai and Sam, i hope we can chalk this one up as a little written misunderstanding and progress on through this excellent thread. I think both of you are excellent people. Sam, I also, had a difficult time understanding your original question. However, misunderstanding do occur within written explainations using international cultural and languages differences. I will not respond further on this matter, but just to say, please shake hands, all the best and good luck.
Bloom

Jakkalsdraai · April 24, 2008, 03:22:40 PM

Thanks Bloome,

Yes, sorry for my temper TCS. Point taken.

I most probably posted this thread in the wrong section. Should of most probably been posted in the Brainstorming section. Reason being I think most people assume (and correctly so) that if a system is posted here it is a completed one. My intentions were purely to take something I noticed one day in the casino and play around with it (reverse numbers). When I added the splits I sort of started to see a possibility for a system. Anyone reading the thread from the top will notice that I have changed ideas as we went on. It started with the reverse numbers and the 1-9 numerology numbers. Then changed it to splits. I also said that to know when to play the reverse numbers one should look at the avarages on the results board. I changed that as well to using a trigger system as with the splits. So eventually now we have some sort of a system nailed together.

I'm sorry if I over reacted TCS but the idea was that all here involved should test together and find the best way forward concerning this system. I mentioned that this is in it's molding phase. It is there to be formed until we or most of us are happy.

It felt to me like you were putting me up on a pedestal and were throwing stones. Yes I know you have been around a long time and I do not dispute that you know alot about roulette, yes most probably more than most. I do not mind criticism of my system if I did have a completed one with half of the credentials of CD's Root system! I would be more than happy to take criticism because I would know that it works.

(Great system CD!)

Like I have said, TCS, if there is any suggestions that you want to add now or in the future, you are more than welcome (I mean this with genuine sincerity).

As for the system. That is about it from me at this stage. I do not currently have anything left to add. :-/I will however post if any so-called bright spark hits (only happens about twice a year...and I already had one!

) I will be more than happy to try and help any member that wants to get up to speed with this system or any member who wants help with results analyzed with this system. I will also be more than happy to participate further if anyone puts a different idea or angle or spin on this system. In other words it stays open for discussion and testing.

I will continue to post results as well. I am experimenting with playing CD's root system together with the reverse and split system.
Yes I know and I promise I won't screw up CD's sytem! hahahaha!

hahahaha Sorry CD!

Cheers All!!
Jakkalsdraai

Jakkalsdraai · April 24, 2008, 03:22:40 PM

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